Majority of bohras wish to be buried in the bohra graveyard with Bohra rituals. The kothar knows it well and have exploited this weakness to its advantage.
One of the burial rituals is Rukhu Chitti.
Can anyone trace its origin? What it contains and the doctrine behind?
I think S.Insaf with his insight of bohra history and Kalim with his subaq experience can shed some light on this.
Rukhu Chitti
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JP good question, i really would like to know about it too.
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Ruku Chitti is an identity card like safai chitti, which will confirm the entry in jannat.
The earlier chitti was written in Gujrati but now it is written in Lisan-ul-Dawat,since allah has learnt the language
The earlier chitti was written in Gujrati but now it is written in Lisan-ul-Dawat,since allah has learnt the language
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What exactly is Lisan-ul-Dawat ? I thought that too was gujrati.
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Does anyone know what is written on ruku chitti.
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Lisan-ul-Dawat is a gujrati written in arabic script.
Which dai has introduced rukhu chitti first ?
Which dai has introduced rukhu chitti first ?
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Ruku Chitthi
It was originally in Arabic language. I do not know what it is today. But Mr. Campbell has translated it in English from Sahifatus-Salat in 1896, which is as follows:
“I seek shelter with the great God (Rabul-Aalameen) and with his excellent Nature against Satan, who has been overwhelmed with stones. O God (Rab), this slave of yours who has died and upon whom you have decreed death, is weak and poor and need your mercy. Pardon his sins, be gracious to him and raise his soul with the souls of the Prophets, and truthful, martyrs, and the holy, for to be with them is good. This is thy bounty. O God have mercy on his body that stays in the earth and show him thy kindness so that he may be freed from pain and that the place of his refuge may be good by your favourite angles; by the serene angles; by your messengers the Prophets, the best of the created: and by the Chosen Prophets, the choice Amin and whom heaven has overshadowed; and by his successor Ali, the son of Abi Talib, the father of the noble Imams and bearer of heavy burdens from off the shoulders of your Prophet; and by our Lady Fatimah-zahara, and by Imams her off-springs Hasan and Husain, descendents of your Prophet (Ahle-bait); and by Ali son of Husain; and by Muhammad, son of Ali; and Jafar son of Muhammad and Ismail son of Jafar and Mohammad son of Ismail; and Abdullah-ul-mastur; and Ahmed-al-mastur; and Husain-al-mastur and our Lord (Maula) Mahdi; and our Lord Qaim and our Lord Muizz; and our Lord Mustansir; and our Lord Mustaali; and our Lord Amir; and our Lord Imam al-Tayyib Abul Qasim Amir-ul-Mominin, and by their deputies and their representatives; and by the apostles; and by the Qaimi-Akhir-al-Zaman (a) and by his representatives; and by the religious Imams of his time. May the blessings of God be upon them and by the apostle Dai (b) for the time being our Sayad and Lord (c) and our Sayad the deputy of his Lordship (d), and our Sayad the neighbour of his Lordship (e) and the ministers of law who are learned and just. God is the best representative and the best defender. There is no power nor virtue but in God.
(a) Title of the Mahdi, the coming Imam.
(b) Title of the High Priest or Mullaji Saheb.
(c) This blank is for the name of existent Mullaji’s name.
(d) Blank for Amil’s name.
(e) Blank for the neighbour’s or Assistance’ name.
According to Mr. Campbell this Ruku Chitthi is not their in the list of literatures in the Fatemi Lodge in Cairo and therefore he considers it of Indian original.
It was originally in Arabic language. I do not know what it is today. But Mr. Campbell has translated it in English from Sahifatus-Salat in 1896, which is as follows:
“I seek shelter with the great God (Rabul-Aalameen) and with his excellent Nature against Satan, who has been overwhelmed with stones. O God (Rab), this slave of yours who has died and upon whom you have decreed death, is weak and poor and need your mercy. Pardon his sins, be gracious to him and raise his soul with the souls of the Prophets, and truthful, martyrs, and the holy, for to be with them is good. This is thy bounty. O God have mercy on his body that stays in the earth and show him thy kindness so that he may be freed from pain and that the place of his refuge may be good by your favourite angles; by the serene angles; by your messengers the Prophets, the best of the created: and by the Chosen Prophets, the choice Amin and whom heaven has overshadowed; and by his successor Ali, the son of Abi Talib, the father of the noble Imams and bearer of heavy burdens from off the shoulders of your Prophet; and by our Lady Fatimah-zahara, and by Imams her off-springs Hasan and Husain, descendents of your Prophet (Ahle-bait); and by Ali son of Husain; and by Muhammad, son of Ali; and Jafar son of Muhammad and Ismail son of Jafar and Mohammad son of Ismail; and Abdullah-ul-mastur; and Ahmed-al-mastur; and Husain-al-mastur and our Lord (Maula) Mahdi; and our Lord Qaim and our Lord Muizz; and our Lord Mustansir; and our Lord Mustaali; and our Lord Amir; and our Lord Imam al-Tayyib Abul Qasim Amir-ul-Mominin, and by their deputies and their representatives; and by the apostles; and by the Qaimi-Akhir-al-Zaman (a) and by his representatives; and by the religious Imams of his time. May the blessings of God be upon them and by the apostle Dai (b) for the time being our Sayad and Lord (c) and our Sayad the deputy of his Lordship (d), and our Sayad the neighbour of his Lordship (e) and the ministers of law who are learned and just. God is the best representative and the best defender. There is no power nor virtue but in God.
(a) Title of the Mahdi, the coming Imam.
(b) Title of the High Priest or Mullaji Saheb.
(c) This blank is for the name of existent Mullaji’s name.
(d) Blank for Amil’s name.
(e) Blank for the neighbour’s or Assistance’ name.
According to Mr. Campbell this Ruku Chitthi is not their in the list of literatures in the Fatemi Lodge in Cairo and therefore he considers it of Indian original.
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From Reform Issues on this webiste: on so-called Lisan-e-dawat
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/senate_2.htm
Members of the Community, most of whom originate from the State of Gujarat in India, predominantly speak the Gujarati Language.
The Metropolitan Toronto School Board encourages the teaching of Heritage Languages. Gujarati is one of the languages being already sponsored and paid for by the Board for sometime. The teaching of religion is specifically excluded by this programme.
In order to circumvent this regulation, Quresh B.S. and his clique, a few years ago, intentionally and under false pretences changed the name of Gujarati Language to Lisane Dawat - Komi Zabaan (language of the community) and applied to the Board and was granted funds to have this language taught as a Heritage Language. Sheikh Hakim Abdulhusein and his wife are being paid by the Board to teach the children. But instead of teaching the language, children of the Community are taught about the Dawoodi Bohra Community religion (!!) and songs of praises for His Holiness and curses against the Sunnis and dissidents and progressive members of the Community. One can easily verify whether the children have ever been taught the purported Heritage Language.
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/senate_2.htm
Members of the Community, most of whom originate from the State of Gujarat in India, predominantly speak the Gujarati Language.
The Metropolitan Toronto School Board encourages the teaching of Heritage Languages. Gujarati is one of the languages being already sponsored and paid for by the Board for sometime. The teaching of religion is specifically excluded by this programme.
In order to circumvent this regulation, Quresh B.S. and his clique, a few years ago, intentionally and under false pretences changed the name of Gujarati Language to Lisane Dawat - Komi Zabaan (language of the community) and applied to the Board and was granted funds to have this language taught as a Heritage Language. Sheikh Hakim Abdulhusein and his wife are being paid by the Board to teach the children. But instead of teaching the language, children of the Community are taught about the Dawoodi Bohra Community religion (!!) and songs of praises for His Holiness and curses against the Sunnis and dissidents and progressive members of the Community. One can easily verify whether the children have ever been taught the purported Heritage Language.
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so why have you not reported this?
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Du'h!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you read the post on the URL provided, you will notice that it was reported to the Senate of Canada.
The Bill S-13 failed and the Quersh BS and his sidekick (Zakir)left Canada for USA soon after to avoid investigations.
If you read the post on the URL provided, you will notice that it was reported to the Senate of Canada.
The Bill S-13 failed and the Quersh BS and his sidekick (Zakir)left Canada for USA soon after to avoid investigations.
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Further to my earlier post:
Ruqa is an Arabic word, which means a note-pad or Chitthi in Gujarati. Which itself indicates that this is of an Indian origin. Also In the books and the literature of our third Dai Sayedna Hatim Ibrahim-al-Hamidi Ruku Chitthi and Raza are nowhere to be found.
Ruqa is an Arabic word, which means a note-pad or Chitthi in Gujarati. Which itself indicates that this is of an Indian origin. Also In the books and the literature of our third Dai Sayedna Hatim Ibrahim-al-Hamidi Ruku Chitthi and Raza are nowhere to be found.
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does this mean that it is an unwanted ritual which we are hanging with????
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does this mean that it is an unwanted ritual which we are hanging with???? as it was not there during the initial days of islam/dawat during the time when IMAM had gone into seclusion & DAI's were incharge of the state affair
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Mbohora: I was not referring to the Senate Hearings. That was in relation to putting the properties in teh name of the Dai by creating a corproation sole. What I menat was is the Porvince of Ontario still providing the funding to teach lisane dawaat.
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I don't hold the brief on behalf of the Province or the School board. I am just a messenger. If you are so curious, please either write to:
Minister of Education, Ontario or
Toronto Public School Board
(Google their e-mail, if you so wish)
OR
Janab Amil Saheb of Toronto Juzerbhaisaheb Zakavi
Email: torontoamilsaheb@yahoo.ca
As a Federal registered charity they are obliged to answer questions about their fundings.If not, you could report to the Federal Charity Commissioner.
PS: You do not appear to be too observant either, Observer, my e-mail ID is mbohra.
Minister of Education, Ontario or
Toronto Public School Board
(Google their e-mail, if you so wish)
OR
Janab Amil Saheb of Toronto Juzerbhaisaheb Zakavi
Email: torontoamilsaheb@yahoo.ca
As a Federal registered charity they are obliged to answer questions about their fundings.If not, you could report to the Federal Charity Commissioner.
PS: You do not appear to be too observant either, Observer, my e-mail ID is mbohra.
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mbohra: apologise for the oversight on your ID. same thing though: bohora or bohra
We are a little touchy ain't we.
I know you do not hold the brief and I did not expect you to. The problem with this community is that we have too many messengers and everyone likes to complaint but no one wants to bell the cat. Sorry I do not have time for whiners like you who expect someone else to make the complaint and then stand on the sidelines and watch teh consequences. Do not waste my time and also do not sit next to me in the mosque and complain. If you see a wrong be bold enough to take the next step and stand up. I played my role when the matter was in the senate now it is time for turkeys like you to stand up and do something. Otherwisw we will always be ABDE SAYEDNAS (SLAVES).
We are a little touchy ain't we.
I know you do not hold the brief and I did not expect you to. The problem with this community is that we have too many messengers and everyone likes to complaint but no one wants to bell the cat. Sorry I do not have time for whiners like you who expect someone else to make the complaint and then stand on the sidelines and watch teh consequences. Do not waste my time and also do not sit next to me in the mosque and complain. If you see a wrong be bold enough to take the next step and stand up. I played my role when the matter was in the senate now it is time for turkeys like you to stand up and do something. Otherwisw we will always be ABDE SAYEDNAS (SLAVES).
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Observer:
You hypocritically say:
"The problem with this community is that we have too many messengers and everyone likes to complaint but no one wants to bell the cat."
Hypocrate because you were the one who on your initial post on this subject on 12-29-2005 04:34 PM asked:
"so why have you not reported this?"
So the same question to you "have you ever belled the cat?," and why didn't you or why don't you. You take an unsubstantiated and undocumented credit of playing role in the Senate issue.If you really did, do you know M. Burhan whose letter to the Senate really was the one which broke the Kothar's back on the S.13 issue? So why stop at the Senate issue and not at the Lisan issue at hand, when you are presumably in Canada?
It's ignorant and uneducated people like you, when they don't have facts on an objective and rationale debate, who resort to insults and expletives. I am sorry for your ignorance and lack of values and upbringing. It shows from your misplaced anger and misrepresentations, among other things.
Only in Canada, you say, pity!
You hypocritically say:
"The problem with this community is that we have too many messengers and everyone likes to complaint but no one wants to bell the cat."
Hypocrate because you were the one who on your initial post on this subject on 12-29-2005 04:34 PM asked:
"so why have you not reported this?"
So the same question to you "have you ever belled the cat?," and why didn't you or why don't you. You take an unsubstantiated and undocumented credit of playing role in the Senate issue.If you really did, do you know M. Burhan whose letter to the Senate really was the one which broke the Kothar's back on the S.13 issue? So why stop at the Senate issue and not at the Lisan issue at hand, when you are presumably in Canada?
It's ignorant and uneducated people like you, when they don't have facts on an objective and rationale debate, who resort to insults and expletives. I am sorry for your ignorance and lack of values and upbringing. It shows from your misplaced anger and misrepresentations, among other things.
Only in Canada, you say, pity!
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Hey, I have just reviwed some 50 or so posts of the Observer.
Guess what, I am right, he is a real hypocrate. This is what he wrote, among other things on th issue of FGM
"...I believe there is a lady bohri doctor in the States who makes her rounds to our communities in North America and mutiliates our children. Expose her. Take responsibilty and make some decisions in your interest."
Why, observer, again you are asking others or expecting othersto bell the cat" when you could do the same yourself and preaching so.
And other thing, you are so fascinated with the word "balls"; you have used it so many times on some of the only 50 posts I have reviewed. You have also liberally used the words like the F..words, the Sh.. words and other words with expletives, which clearly demonstrates your lack of values or education and upbringing. I am sorry, but you are really uncouth, to say the least!
Guess what, I am right, he is a real hypocrate. This is what he wrote, among other things on th issue of FGM
"...I believe there is a lady bohri doctor in the States who makes her rounds to our communities in North America and mutiliates our children. Expose her. Take responsibilty and make some decisions in your interest."
Why, observer, again you are asking others or expecting othersto bell the cat" when you could do the same yourself and preaching so.
And other thing, you are so fascinated with the word "balls"; you have used it so many times on some of the only 50 posts I have reviewed. You have also liberally used the words like the F..words, the Sh.. words and other words with expletives, which clearly demonstrates your lack of values or education and upbringing. I am sorry, but you are really uncouth, to say the least!
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Wow! And Observer, I am right about your values and upbringing as well!
You even bad mouthed your own grandmother by your following post of 6-4-2004 8.33 p.m.on Taabudat:
"Everytime you rise tehy will squeeze your balls and you will say "Ah! dukhe che" and sit down. I remember my grandmother rationlizing her existence in this corrupt decadent community by saying " magar machi sathe revu ane apne ver kem kare" - they will eat you alive. My grandmother was an uneducated woman......"
Either you are not proud of your family or respect them or you don't even know who your biological parents are otherwise you would not have castigated your own grandmother by your angry and bitter diatribe.
You even bad mouthed your own grandmother by your following post of 6-4-2004 8.33 p.m.on Taabudat:
"Everytime you rise tehy will squeeze your balls and you will say "Ah! dukhe che" and sit down. I remember my grandmother rationlizing her existence in this corrupt decadent community by saying " magar machi sathe revu ane apne ver kem kare" - they will eat you alive. My grandmother was an uneducated woman......"
Either you are not proud of your family or respect them or you don't even know who your biological parents are otherwise you would not have castigated your own grandmother by your angry and bitter diatribe.
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Does this mean that it is an unwanted ritual, which we are hanging with?
When any one sees the blanks in Ruku Chitthi, where the names of Dai, Amil and his assistant are filled up, one can say without any doubt that "yes it is an unwanted ritual, which we are hanging with."
One can also see that there is no mention of Dai's recomamdation to give the dead some place in Jannat. In fact the Ruka Chitthi is the personal request or prayer by the dead person asking Great God to forgive his sins.
When any one sees the blanks in Ruku Chitthi, where the names of Dai, Amil and his assistant are filled up, one can say without any doubt that "yes it is an unwanted ritual, which we are hanging with."
One can also see that there is no mention of Dai's recomamdation to give the dead some place in Jannat. In fact the Ruka Chitthi is the personal request or prayer by the dead person asking Great God to forgive his sins.
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Details of all rituals practiced by Qasar-e-Ala (called Nahaj Qasar-e-Ala)is described in Busaheba's sahifa "Sahifatun Garra". Chapter on "Baabul Janaiz" describes what should be done about Mayyat. There is mention of "Mohtu Ruqqa" and "Nahnu Ruqqa". Mohtu Ruqqa is spread on mayyat's chest and Nahnu Ruqqa is put on right hand palm. Nahnu Ruqqa dua is there in Arabic, but nothing about Mohtu Ruqqa. This book is available in Dawoodi Bohra book stores.
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Mbohora ..sorry mbohra ..we are very touchy..the truth hurts..do not waste my time.
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insaaf would of course call it a unneccesary ritual but in the same breath he says that its a personal request of the dead to allah for forgiveness since he is sure of going to jahannam he wants everybody else to join him there by not asking any forgiveness,
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all progs who believe in democracy should take a vote and then decide wether they want the ruku chithi or not,for intrest the moto ruku is surat yasin.Or the alternative is put a chithi written by insaaf or engineer on your hand and chest and see how far it takes you after death
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Dear Brother Mature,
There is a lot of propaganda and misunderstanding that Ruka Chitthi is some letter by present Bohra head to Allah to grant the deceased person appropriate place in heaven with such and such trees and benefit.
When I said it is a personal request or prayer I wanted to clear this misunderstanding.
This system of Ruka Chitthi is found nowhere in Islamic world. The Misaq, Raza, Barat and Ruka Chitthi is unique to our Bohra community. I think they are intentionally introduced to tighten the grip on the Bohras to exploit them.
There is a lot of propaganda and misunderstanding that Ruka Chitthi is some letter by present Bohra head to Allah to grant the deceased person appropriate place in heaven with such and such trees and benefit.
When I said it is a personal request or prayer I wanted to clear this misunderstanding.
This system of Ruka Chitthi is found nowhere in Islamic world. The Misaq, Raza, Barat and Ruka Chitthi is unique to our Bohra community. I think they are intentionally introduced to tighten the grip on the Bohras to exploit them.
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Then we can get away with this system in our reformist jamaat...
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like galaxee said when you die tell the progs who bury you not to put the ruku in your body since yoy are a stounch muslim
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I agree with S. Insaf about the Ruku Chithi concept.
Why does Allah need to be presented a Ruku Chithi when one dies? Are the Bohris claiming that Allah needs a letter to be reminded that the deceased is a Dawoodi-Bohra? This is blasphemous and a "slap in the face" to Islam.
May I remind the average Bohra that the Quran quotes several times "Rabbil Aalamein" which means that Allah is God over several galaxies. Allah is the most superior and knows every minute detail about us. Why then do Bohras still resort to the Ruku Chithi? Seems to me that they are being brainwashed into worshipping the Kothar and undermining Allah in the process.
Why does Allah need to be presented a Ruku Chithi when one dies? Are the Bohris claiming that Allah needs a letter to be reminded that the deceased is a Dawoodi-Bohra? This is blasphemous and a "slap in the face" to Islam.
May I remind the average Bohra that the Quran quotes several times "Rabbil Aalamein" which means that Allah is God over several galaxies. Allah is the most superior and knows every minute detail about us. Why then do Bohras still resort to the Ruku Chithi? Seems to me that they are being brainwashed into worshipping the Kothar and undermining Allah in the process.
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in case you did not read the above text the ruku chithi as per insaaf is a personal request of the dead to ALLAH (you moron and not to kothar) and it also contains surat yasin. stop your stupidity about brainwashing in truth you progs have been brainwashed by sugar coated cynide pills of engineer and insaaf
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Hello IM-Mature Moron
I was taught in all these SABAKS I used to go that Allah knows everything we are doing and upon our death he knows what we have done.
We are going to be judged by our DEEDS and so if you have done BAD DEEDS then a letter from Kothar
(RUKKU CHITTI), which anyone can get with a nice and hefty SALAAM or Ziyaft, to ALLAH with get him a good spot in Jannat.
Are you telling me ALLAH has nothing better to do then read all the requests(Rukku CHitti) from Kothar.
I was taught in all these SABAKS I used to go that Allah knows everything we are doing and upon our death he knows what we have done.
We are going to be judged by our DEEDS and so if you have done BAD DEEDS then a letter from Kothar
(RUKKU CHITTI), which anyone can get with a nice and hefty SALAAM or Ziyaft, to ALLAH with get him a good spot in Jannat.
Are you telling me ALLAH has nothing better to do then read all the requests(Rukku CHitti) from Kothar.