Progressive matam

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:24 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
fearAllah wrote:
Even the walking stick Burhan Kaka uses is gold plated which costs thousands of dollars....
Have you noticed the 24 carat Rolex (or is it Piaget/Patek Phillipe) watch on his hand although he himself says that wearing gold is haraam for a mumin. And the 18 carat gold taps fitted in his and his zaadas bathrooms ? And a water fountain installed in his bedroom ? For further examples of the AYYASHI please refer the thread "Inside Saifee Mahal".
I seems progressives are gifted with extra sensory perception and sense gold from far away.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:34 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
fearAllah wrote:
Even the walking stick Burhan Kaka uses is gold plated which costs thousands of dollars....
Have you noticed the 24 carat Rolex (or is it Piaget/Patek Phillipe) watch on his hand although he himself says that wearing gold is haraam for a mumin. And the 18 carat gold taps fitted in his and his zaadas bathrooms ? And a water fountain installed in his bedroom ? For further examples of the AYYASHI please refer the thread "Inside Saifee Mahal".
By the way one my of 'friend' was close to one of the top leader of proggy. Man, he was surprised that the leader called him self a 'Dawoodi Bohra' he observed he cannot be called a muslim. With things he saw at his house i cannot describe on this repective forum :mrgreen:

by the way GM i will check with my 'friend' whether he knows your 'fanatic relative'

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:15 am

TB,

It doesn't matter if all progressives are bad. What matters is that Gold watch and the Gold walking stick by your leader which pits him against the teachings of Islam. There are many bad people all around, but that doesn't mean that now it is ok for your Dai to be bad as well does it? If you think it is ok for your Dai to be bad, then I guess that is the first victory for the progressives that you agree he is bad.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:08 pm

truebohra wrote:I seems progressives are gifted with extra sensory perception and sense gold from far away.
http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/3487.html

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:04 pm

anajmi wrote:TB,

It doesn't matter if all progressives are bad. What matters is that Gold watch and the Gold walking stick by your leader which pits him against the teachings of Islam. There are many bad people all around, but that doesn't mean that now it is ok for your Dai to be bad as well does it? If you think it is ok for your Dai to be bad, then I guess that is the first victory for the progressives that you agree he is bad.
The message has been delivered to whom the my earlier post was addressed.
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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:04 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:I seems progressives are gifted with extra sensory perception and sense gold from far away.
http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/3487.html
What does it mean & prove?

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:24 pm

tb,

Similarly, my post is addressed to you. Care to respond to it?

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:29 pm

truebohra wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:
I seems progressives are gifted with extra sensory perception and sense gold from far away.


http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/3487.html
What does it mean & prove?
It was a reply to your comment of 'extra sensory perception and sense gold far away'. Look at Photo No.5 and you will realise that people dont need that 'extra' sensory perception to look at the truth.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:44 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:
I seems progressives are gifted with extra sensory perception and sense gold from far away.


http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item/3487.html
What does it mean & prove?
It was a reply to your comment of 'extra sensory perception and sense gold far away'. Look at Photo No.5 and you will realise that people dont need that 'extra' sensory perception to look at the truth.
I have seen. so what? how do you know the watch is gold plated? That what i mean you have extra sensory perception can tell if its gold or not by just looking at picture :roll:

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:53 pm

anajmi wrote:tb,

Similarly, my post is addressed to you. Care to respond to it?
Have you seen it yourself, the Gold walking stick & watch? False allegation is sin in Islam. I think i have told you once.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:59 pm

truebohra wrote:I have seen. so what? how do you know the watch is gold plated? That what i mean you have extra sensory perception can tell if its gold or not by just looking at picture
It is not gold plated but SOLID GOLD because I have seen it myself personally and have also seen a photograph somewhere from a close angle (I dont recollect the place where I saw the photo). Moreover do you think that a person with such high taste would wear a gold 'plated' watch ? No way. Does he use a Fiat or Ambassador Car for his trips, he settles for nothing less then a premium executive car. Does he travel 2nd class in train or economy class in air travel ? Nothing less then a Business Class satisfies him and at times he even charters a plane. Does he ferry in a dingy boat ? He settles for nothing less then the luxury liner QE II. Even the "Oodh" perfume which he uses is the one which is most expensive and costs around Rs.5 lakhs per tola. So how dare you degrade him by stating that he wears an ordinary gold plated watch ? Dont mention this to any zaada or else your e-jamat card would cease to function and you will be deprived of all the labrez 2 kharas 2 mithas in niyaz-e-hussain and you may probably miss your trip to the next exotic locale during Mohurrum.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:21 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:I have seen. so what? how do you know the watch is gold plated? That what i mean you have extra sensory perception can tell if its gold or not by just looking at picture
It is not gold plated but SOLID GOLD because I have seen it myself personally and have also seen a photograph somewhere from a close angle (I dont recollect the place where I saw the photo). Moreover do you think that a person with such high taste would wear a gold 'plated' watch ? No way. Does he use a Fiat or Ambassador Car for his trips, he settles for nothing less then a premium executive car. Does he travel 2nd class in train or economy class in air travel ? Nothing less then a Business Class satisfies him and at times he even charters a plane. Does he ferry in a dingy boat ? He settles for nothing less then the luxury liner QE II. Even the "Oodh" perfume which he uses is the one which is most expensive and costs around Rs.5 lakhs per tola. So how dare you degrade him by stating that he wears an ordinary gold plated watch ? Dont mention this to any zaada or else your e-jamat card would cease to function and you will be deprived of all the labrez 2 kharas 2 mithas in niyaz-e-hussain and you may probably miss your trip to the next exotic locale during Mohurrum.
Where have you seen it? Did you went for Qadambosi? and how did you know it is 'SOLID GOLD' did you smell it or have some special vision to recognize gold? Wow, you extra sensory perception i really admire it. Ok ,is that somewhere where you have seen the photograph from close angle i hope is not at your 'Fanatic Relatives' home :P

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by JC » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:10 pm

truebohra = trueidiot

You can teach and educate the uneducated, but you cannot teach a JAHIL ....... Jahileyat is a quality inbeded in a person and it never goes even if the Jahil does his or her PhD.

You continue worshipping what you worship with purjosh matam, doing hefty salams to zadas and amils and eating lavish food ........ thats your life. And do not forget two rakat for dai and singing Sajda and Ghanu Jevo.

Wazaefuna .......... :D

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by Smart » Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:02 am

^
Why are you calling for truce? Is it really that you can claim the right to believe what you want to?
Doesn't the dai profess to follow Islam? Otherwise where does he get his right to be dai?
This chickening out just doesn't wash.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:47 pm

mustafanalwalla wrote:
i was just saying that you go your way, we'll go ours
agreed, as long as you admit that abde bohras are maligning islam under the syedna and are no longer muslims. take the name of burhani's or saifullah's for your cult and then merrily go your way.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:19 pm

truebohra wrote:how do you know the watch is gold plated? That what i mean you have extra sensory perception can tell if its gold or not by just looking at picture
Now if any dumb progressive looks at the photographs below he will claim to have "extra sensory perception" and blame the dai for travelling in a Rolls Royce but the highly intelligent abde who has the true extra sensory perception will never beileve that his dai who lives on the principles of austerity of Panjatan Pak (a.s.) can ever travel in a luxury car and hence conclude that the dai is travelling in a dingy 1958 model dukkar fiat. If at all the photos are sent to a lab for evaluation and it turns out to be a Rolls Royce then another intelligent abde will say that it is actually a 1956 Ambassador car bought from chor bazaar but duly modified into a Rolls Royce by Dilip Chhabria's assistant.

You dumb and idiotic progressives learn a thing or two from abdes. Learn how to manipulate and distort the originals whether it be a photo or Islamic History.

http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item ... ar+Feed%29

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:44 pm

truebohra wrote:how did you know it is 'SOLID GOLD' did you smell it or have some special vision to recognize gold? Wow, you extra sensory perception i really admire it.
By looking at the photographs below, once again the dumb progrressives will say that the dai is living in a palace worth more then Rs.2,000 crores which was once the residence of Sir Peerbhoy on whom they shower the choicest of abuses and the dignitaries are the rich and corrupt businessmen and politicians, one of which is L.K.Advani, the arch enemy of Muslims who is responsible for the countrywide Hindu/Muslim riots fuelled by his rath yatra and is the leader of BJP and RSS member who were responsible for the mass genocide of muslims in gujarat........ All this only because of "extra sensory perception". What a bunch of fools the progressives are !!

Ask any abde (especially truebohra) and he will say that the dai who is a living example of austerity as practised by Panjatan Pak (a.s.) is actually living in a hut, much like the bohras living in dharavi, mumbra and sion koliwada. And the ones who have come to pay respects and accorded special treatment are the poor bohras of mumbra who got a chance of their lifetime to do qadambosi and spend some valuable time with their leader. And Ha, the one whom the progressives claim to be Advani (arch enemy of muslims) is actually a muslim saint and true believer of Panjatan Pak (a.s.) who has come to take 'barkat' from the dai and work out modalities to strengthen the ummah.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:45 pm

The photographs related to the above post are as below :-

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/content/d ... ifee-mahal

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:58 pm

JC wrote:truebohra = trueidiot

You can teach and educate the uneducated, but you cannot teach a JAHIL ....... Jahileyat is a quality inbeded in a person and it never goes even if the Jahil does his or her PhD.

You continue worshipping what you worship with purjosh matam, doing hefty salams to zadas and amils and eating lavish food ........ thats your life. And do not forget two rakat for dai and singing Sajda and Ghanu Jevo.

Wazaefuna .......... :D
JC, Your unprovoked provocation justifies that people of your elk doesn't have enough weight in your allegations..

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:01 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:
truebohra wrote:how do you know the watch is gold plated? That what i mean you have extra sensory perception can tell if its gold or not by just looking at picture
Now if any dumb progressive looks at the photographs below he will claim to have "extra sensory perception" and blame the dai for travelling in a Rolls Royce but the highly intelligent abde who has the true extra sensory perception will never beileve that his dai who lives on the principles of austerity of Panjatan Pak (a.s.) can ever travel in a luxury car and hence conclude that the dai is travelling in a dingy 1958 model dukkar fiat. If at all the photos are sent to a lab for evaluation and it turns out to be a Rolls Royce then another intelligent abde will say that it is actually a 1956 Ambassador car bought from chor bazaar but duly modified into a Rolls Royce by Dilip Chhabria's assistant.

You dumb and idiotic progressives learn a thing or two from abdes. Learn how to manipulate and distort the originals whether it be a photo or Islamic History.

http://www.malumaat.com/adv/akhbar/item ... ar+Feed%29
GM, I was expecting too much from you. I hope you have enough sensory perception to distinguish between 'SOLID GOLD' and a rolls royce

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:06 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:The photographs related to the above post are as below :-

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/content/d ... ifee-mahal
Again.. So meeting with dignitaries is proof of what you saw with your own eyes was 'SOLID GOLD'.. Well quite a Intelligent argument i can say. Well done GM.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:32 pm

JC wrote:
truebohra = trueidiot :D
jc,

you are completely wrong and must apologise.

a true bohra is one who does sajda to dai, who sings it as loudly as he can, who calls his dai the haqiqi kaaba and ghaib na maalik, i.e one who sees and knows the unseen, and who refers to the dai as the natiqe quran, i.e speaking quran, which is the title given by muslims only to the prophet,

a true bohra is one who admires and reveres the ability of his dai to murder wild animals with a single lethal bullet through their hearts or heads and who condones the dai's deliberate neglect of his mother. a true bohra is one who deeply respects his dai's close friendship and rapport with goondas like narendra modi, dawood ibrahim, bal thackeray, karim lala, haji mastan etc. a true bohra is one who gives away all his wealth freely to the dai while his family, his relations and poor bohras starve, a true bohra is one who puts on a regimented uniform to attend markaz/masjid where he can watch films of his dai travelling on luxury liners or on the concorde and meeting with dignitaries of the likes mentioned above, followed by purjosh maatam and labrez jaman, all in the name of the martyrs of kerbala.

a true bohra is one who displays blind faith in the dai, the dai's family and their employees, the amils, while they blatantly violate all the principles of islam and our deen.

how dare you refer to such 'true bohras' as idiots?

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Re: Progressive matam

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:01 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:
JC wrote:
truebohra = trueidiot :D
jc,

you are completely wrong and must apologise.

a true bohra is one who does sajda to dai, who sings it as loudly as he can, who calls his dai the haqiqi kaaba and ghaib na maalik, i.e one who sees and knows the unseen, and who refers to the dai as the natiqe quran, i.e speaking quran, which is the title given by muslims only to the prophet,

a true bohra is one who admires and reveres the ability of his dai to murder wild animals with a single lethal bullet through their hearts or heads and who condones the dai's deliberate neglect of his mother. a true bohra is one who deeply respects his dai's close friendship and rapport with goondas like narendra modi, dawood ibrahim, bal thackeray, karim lala, haji mastan etc. a true bohra is one who gives away all his wealth freely to the dai while his family, his relations and poor bohras starve, a true bohra is one who puts on a regimented uniform to attend markaz/masjid where he can watch films of his dai travelling on luxury liners or on the concorde and meeting with dignitaries of the likes mentioned above, followed by purjosh maatam and labrez jaman, all in the name of the martyrs of kerbala.

a true bohra is one who displays blind faith in the dai, the dai's family and their employees, the amils, while they blatantly violate all the principles of islam and our deen.

how dare you refer to such 'true bohras' as idiots?
AZ, as usual using your wrong end for thinking you have proved you can only rant... Go & help GM who is in hiding after unsubstantiated allegations.. May be you can find him in his "fanatic relatives" home trying find some 'SOLID GOLD'

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by porus » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:00 am

prof.Ali wrote:who are this people?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... VihOjTPzs8
Abde Clones? Cannot recognize the live idol but does look suspiciously like Tahir Qadri. Could this be true? If so, one of those whom I admired bites the dust.

I recognize the song. The original was composed for movie Pakeeza but was not included in the movie. Rafi sang the solo part.

Some words from the song:

"Hat kar tere qadamo.n se, kaabaa hai na bootkhana"

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by prof.Ali » Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:46 am

this is why I have posted this video here,slap on munafiqun face.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by Conscíous » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:16 pm

truebohra,
All the evidence ghulam muhammed has presented is more convincing/valid,,, that the watch is made of SOLID GOLD and if you say otherwise, then show us your proof ??

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:27 pm

BooM wrote:truebohra,
All the evidence ghulam muhammed has presented is more convincing/valid,,, that the watch is made of SOLID GOLD and if you say otherwise, then show us your proof ??
BooM
What evidence presented by GM makes it SOLID GOLD? Evidence of 'fanatic relatve' or picture? I have not made any statement whether its 'SOLID GOLD' or not. You are saying so if you can prove it is is else It is not.

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by Conscíous » Sun Dec 25, 2011 1:39 pm

Stop trying to twist this, .. ghulam muhammed has given his evidence and if you are saying his statement is false, then show us your evidence to prove and make us believe you, instead of poking holes in his evidence which has already convinced me, that watch is made of solid gold..

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Re: Progressive matam

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Unread post by truebohra » Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:21 pm

BooM wrote:Stop trying to twist this, .. ghulam muhammed has given his evidence and if you are saying his statement is false, then show us your evidence to prove and make us believe you, instead of poking holes in his evidence which has already convinced me, that watch is made of solid gold..
There is no twist & i have not made any statement. I asking show me what proves the watch is 'SOLID GOD'. Which evidence you have taken as proof of 'SOLID GOLD'.
BooM, if it is difficult for you to understand this... I will make it simple

1) I have not made any statement. I don't know whether its Brass, Gold plated or 'SOLID GOLD' hence i don't have to prove anything.
2) GM, Clearly have said that its not 'gold plated' but 'SOLID GOLD'.
So , how does he know it is solid gold? & if he doesn't know then why he is making such statement?

Or
Just he can reply to my following Questions?
Where have you seen it? Did you went for Qadambosi? and how did you know it is 'SOLID GOLD' did you smell it or have some special vision to recognize gold? Wow, you extra sensory perception i really admire it. Ok ,is that somewhere where you have seen the photograph from close angle i hope is not at your 'Fanatic Relatives' home