'Batini sect of Islam' Agha khani Ismailis.

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Dear Hafeez,<br>According to your statement, your HI says one thing to the Muslim scholars and teaches another to his followers.<p>I will give him the benefit of the doubt...and say you don't know what your talking about. <p>And please do not mock the sunnah...remember it is the sunnah of the Prophet you mock...not just another person!

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Dear Nizar,<br>The Quran and the Prophet said to go on Hajj to the Kabah in the Sacred Mosque...not to your HI. It is very specific and well documents in both the Quran and Traditions.

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Dear Nizar,<br>We done this before...don't bring it up again please. For 1400 years Ismaili were taught by their Imams to pray as all muslims do...both in the khannas and in public. It is not an issue of taqiyah.

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ANAJMI,<p>Individual Nizaris do perform the haj but it is mainly suspended for security concerns. Ismailis do not feel safe. <br>If it were untrue, I or other would tell you in your bloody face.<p>What's next?<br>WHY nizaris do not abuse the women as per the sunnah?<br>How about Wadzu or adzhan?<p>I wouldn't be trying to be an ismaili if I had to be the same as you - Uuuugh!<br>

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QIYAM<p>You are giving the nizari Imam the benefit of the doubt? <p>For the last time - LISTEN carefully, the Imam emphasizes the Sunnah in its essence but in public he may just say sunnah so as not to offend the public or to get inro a debate. R U CLEAR? Literal sunnah is not and never was part of NIZARI Ismaili practise of islam and NEVER will be.<p>On other issue:<br>Let be Clear - we are not bohras who follow the kitab or Kitab supercedes the Imam (your earlier quote). We follow the Imam and everything is subject to interpretations except the belief in quran & finality of the prophet Muhammed. R U CLEAR?

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Well, if the individual nizaris do perform Hajj then I guess they are still living in the 7th century!! Am I missing something here or have you completely lost it?

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Brother Saifuddin,<p>If I were to pay Rs 30,000 will I get entry into the Ismaili heaven? (Of course kafirs will get entry for free cause Muslims actually call it hell)<p>And if I want to kiss the HI aka LI's behind, do I have to pay money or is that free?<p>And where do I have to go to treat Ismaili women with respect, for eg if I want to encourage them to roam with minimum clothes?<p>And how do I perform this psuedo-wudhu which is of the heart? do I need to wash my hands after I've shit and cleaned my ass or is my psuedo-wudhu of the heart is valid without washing my hands?<p>Also how do I perform the psuedo-fast of the ear, eye and tongue.<p>We will come back to the rest after you oblige me with the answers to the above.

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Dear Hafeez,<br>You keep arguing a point that has no point. <p>Your Imam said to a public assembly of muslim scholars that any uncertainty can be found from the Quran and Sunnah...AND THE WORD ESSENSE WAS NOT USED!! ARE YOU CLEAR ON THIS POINT??<p>I am giving him the benefit of the doubt...because your saying he "MEANT" one and HE is saying "something else". So I say your wrong. Your wordplaying to cover your behind.<p>No..you are not bohras...your are agha khanis. But you also claim to adhere yourselves to the Ismaili tariqa which does dictates the following of the Prophet's sunnah of 1400 years ago. So either call yourself agha khani and not Ismaili!! This is my point.<p>

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Qiyam,<br>I have news for you:<br>Nizari ismailis is the ismaili tariqa. I have no idea what bohras are or where they are headed. All I know and have said this before:<br>There is no difference between bohras & a wahabi but bohras are worse than wahabis with their saffai-chitti, misaq, taxes, baraat, raza, etc(GEEEEEZZZ!)<p>--You keep arguing a point that has no point. ----<p>People like you who are FROZEN in the 7th century usually have no points; they seem to keep repeating the same ol' mantra; and even if you do, does it matter? maybe, for self -gratification and nothing more.<p>MHI, in the seerat held in the 70's in Pak, was clear in the value-system which is the essence of the sunnah. Or, described what ESSENCE the ummah s/b looking for when following the sunnah.<p>MHI will never, NEVER say something that will offend anyone; for freeakshows like you that is akin to and to quote you "him covering his ass".<p>Grow up - there is no hope in the 7th century. This is the 21st century. Unless you all wish to be equated as "freakshows" with yout libas and ridha or whatever.<br>

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Dear Hafeez,<br>If you think the Agha Khani are following the Ismaili tariqa...this is only something you think! But you have absolutely no bases to what your following. And for that matter have little knowledge of bohras in general.<p>You keep preaching a point of view..that is not based on any Ismaili teaching...not even your Nizari Imams. I know you follow your HI...but if you are a representative sample of his teaching...then you are following the Agha Khan...but in noways Ismaili teachings.<p>You keep mocking the 7th century...but up until 80 years ago...this is exactly what your HI preached in the khannas. This "modern thinking" you promote..is a new invention. The mantra you mock was promoted by the current HI father! So get your story straight and your HI.<p>And again...the published statement said nothing of ESSENSE! Stop arguing this...it is your own thinking...nowhere is the word essense even used.