'Batini sect of Islam' Agha khani Ismailis.

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WITH COMPLIMENTS FROM: AGA KHANI ISMAILIS “BATINI SECT OF ISLAM” UNIQUE RELIGIOUS MESSAGE FOR ALL HUMAN BEINGS WORLDWIDE THE MESSAGE OF AGA KHANI RELIGIOUS WORSHIPS Ya-ali Madad to the real Momins (Believers)! We belong to the Ismaili organization whose responsibility is to provide religious information to the people. We are writing full explanatory details of the religious worships we perform in the Ismaili Jamatkhanas in the light of the religious teachings given to us under the patronage of Mukhi Sahibs:- Our Salam (greeting) is: “Ya-ali Madad” and the reply thereto is “Mowla-ali Madad”. Our ‘Kalima’ (Testimony) is: “Ashhado an la ilaha il-Allaho wa ashhado anna Muhammad-ur-Rasool-Ullahe wa ashhado anna Ameer-ul-Momineen Ali-Ullah (i.e. I testify that there is no god except Allah and I testify that Muhammad is Allah’s Messenger and I testify that ALI IS ALLAH = H.H. The Aga Khan). We need not to perform ‘Wudhu’ (ablution) because our ‘Wudhu’ is of heart (i.e. not of action). Instead of ‘Namaz’ it is mandatory for every Aga Khani to attend the Jamatkhana to chant the ‘Dua’ (Prayer) three times a day in place of five times’ incumbent ‘Namaz’ (Canonical Prayers). Standing and knealing is not required in our prayers. Nor we need to face Qiblah, we can pray with our face in any direction for which it is very important to bring the Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) in our perception in the prayers. (We enclose herewith the prayer book which please read and also give to other spiritual brethren). Fast (Roza) is fundamentally of eye, ear and tongue. It cannot be broken by eating and drinking. Our ‘Roza’ (Fast) is for one-and-a-quarter ‘Pahar’ (about 4-1/2 hours) which is broken at 10.00 A.M. and that too is optional for the ‘Momin’ (believer) otherwise fast is not incumbent. Of course, we keep fast on the first day of the month whenever it happens to fall on Friday through sighting of the moon in the whole year. In place of Zakat we pay two annas per rupee (“Dasond”) in the Ismaili Jamatkhana considering it mandatory. Our Hajj (Pilgrimage) is the vision (sighting) of Hazir Imam {(H.H. The Aga Khan) [(that is because Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan is the only incarnation of the God on the earth)]}. Rather we have with us speaking/talking Quran, that is Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) who is present, but the Musalmans (Muslims) have got merely a void Book i.e. Quran. Mukhi Saheb dissipate our sins for (the period from) morning to evening by sprinkling drops (of water”i.e. Chantta”). If any person amongst us cannot attend the Ismaili Jamatkhana every day, he can get his sins atoned by getting the drops spinkled (on him) by Mukhi and by drinking ‘GHATPAT’ (holy water) on Fridays against payment of money in the Ismaili Jamatkhana, and if anyone cannot attend Ismaili Jamatkhana on Fridays he can get the sins of or the whole month condoned by means of the said ceremonies on the night the moon is sighted, against payment of money. The mode of our worship is:- The Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) gives us a ‘Word’/ISM-E-AZAM for which we pay Rs.75/- the worship whereof we perform in the later past of the night. For atonement of worships for 5 years we pay Rs.500/-, for 12 years Rs.1,200/- and for Life Membership (to get the worships for the whole life pardoned) we pay Rs.5000/- in the Jamatkhanas. NOORANI: To obtain the ‘noor’ (light) of Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) we pay Rs.7,000/- in the Jamatkhanas, whence we got the ‘Noor’ of Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan). FIDAYEEN: To get ourselves pardoned on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamat) by Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) i.e. (linked) towards the expenses (to be incurred) for getting our ‘Noor’ linked with that of the Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) we pay Rs.25,000/- in the Ismaili Jamatkhana. NANDI: (Auction) We call charity as ‘Nandi’ (Auction) The best dishes prepared in our homes, clothes of finest kind and ornaments we contribute as ‘Nandi’ (Auction) are auctioned by the Ismaili Jamatkhana people and the proceeds are deposited in the Ismaili Jamatkhanas. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO EXPLAIN THAT: Our religion is centuries old. No one has criticized it till this date. Had our religion been untrue it should have come to an end long ago. Now, if the Musalmans (Muslims) or their Ulemas (Religious Scholars) see any flaw in our religion or if they have any objection, why do not they seek explanation from our office bearers of the H.R.H. Prince Aga Khan Federal Council for Pakistan? The Ulemas (Religious Scholars) of the Musalmans (Muslims) also criticize but why they hesitate in seeking explanation from our Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan)? Are they afraid of our Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan)? For centuries the Ulemas (Religious Scholars) of the Musalmans (Muslims) have never criticized our Ismaili religion then from where have the Ulemas (Religious Scholars) of the fifteenth century awaken to criticize us. During every period, we have enjoyed the support of the Government of the time. Then this is the very fact of the genuineness of our Ismaili religion. O REAL MOMINS (Believers)! Adhere to our Ismaili religion if you are truthful. In (this) world such temptations will continue to come and go. We pray that the ‘Noor’ (light) of Mowlana Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) may keep you in comfort and prosperous and may you be fortunate to see (have sight of) the Hazir Imam (H.H. The Aga Khan) (Aameen). LAST KALIMA: Ya Shah Karim-al-Hussaini (H.H. The Aga Khan) Ant-al-Imam-ul-Hazir-ul-Moujudo (Sujudo) Allahumma laka sujudi wa Taa-ati. We authenticate the above message of Aga Khani Religious Worship previously dictated by Mr. Ashiq Ali H. Hussain The Ex-President of H.H. The Aga Khan Federal Council for Pakistan. Should anyone desire to seek any clarification or elaborations in this behalf the entire authority vests in H.H. Aga Khan himself and H.H. The Aga Khan Federal Council for Pakistan only who may be contacted in this behalf on the following addresses: 1. His Highness Prince Karim Aga Khan, The Aga Khan Information Department, Secretariat Aga Khan, Aiglemont, Gouvieux 60270, France. Phone Nos:+33.3.44.58.40.00 Fax Nos:+33.3.44.58.11.14 E.mail: amyn.ahamed@aiglemont.org 2. H.H. The Aga Khan National Council for Pakistan, Garden Ismaili Jamatkhana, Britto Road, Karachi-74550, Pakistan. Lastly, we extend our warmest congratulations to Dr. Shamsh Kassim Lakha on his appointment as the Chairman Steering Committee by competent authorities of Government of Pakistan declaring his status equivalent to the Minister of State of Pakistan. It is also advised to surf our following fabulous websites full of informative material on Ismailism: - 1. http://ismaili.net/~heritage/lib.html 2. http://www.cybermurid.com/online/isites.shtml 3. http://www.azizmerchant.com 4. http://callisto.guestworld.tripod.lycos ... witchboard 5. http://www.egroups.com/group/professional_ismailis 6. http://www.cybermurid.com/online/link.html 7. http://www.ismailipoint.com 8. http://asianismaili.virtualave.net/immatday.htm 9. http://www.amaana.org/ismailism.html 10. http://ismailis.homepad.com 11. www.kamalzar.virtualave.net 12. http://206.186.150.230/real/priere/anthem.ram 13. http://web.onramp.ca/cadd/723aga.htm 14. http://www.ismaili.net/fair/audio/fair_gin.html#g 15. http://www.ismaili.net/gal.html 16. http://www.safran-arts.com/agakhan.html 17. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/inbysubj.html 18. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/cer ... s.html#top 19. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/lib.html 20. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/libsect.html 21. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ismaili3.html 22. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ism6.html 23. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/manuscr.html 24. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ 25. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/herocont.html 26. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ISWEB/imam/imam49.htm 27. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ismaili3.html 28. http://www.uh.edu/campus/msa/group/agakhans.txt 29. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/manuscr.html 30. http://global.globale.net/~heritage/nagji/html 31. http://roswell.fortunecity.com/psychic/435 32. http://ismaili.net/granths/chetwanb.html 33. http://members.fortunecity.com/navali/ismailism1.html 34. http://globale.net/~heritage/Source/hbibi1.html 35. http://www.hal-pc.org/~amana/ism6.html 36. http://ismaili.net/~heritage/mirrors/history.html 37. http://www.ishipress.com/agakhan.htm 38. http://ismaili.net/timeline/2001/2001102prav.html Another Non Ismaili Sites who have also projected our material are as under: - 1. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hkomal/messages/181 2. http://www.afgha.com/article.php?sid=7350 3. http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Arch ... reads.html 4. http://www.allaahuakbar.net/ismaaeelis/ ... a_khan.htm 5. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/trust/biodata.htm 6. http://www.mostmerciful.com 7. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/trust/agakhan.htm 8. http://amsterdan.nettime.org/Lists-Arch ... reads.html 9. http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/24/18934.html Alwaiza Zarina Kamaluddin, Ismailia Tariqah and Religious Education Board for Pakistan, 230/1, D’Cruz Road, Garden East, Karachi-74550, Pakistan. Phones: (Office) (92-21) 721 0202 (Home) (92-21) 721 9522 (92-21) 722 3209 Fax: (92-21) 722 2926

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Nizari/asif khan/HafeezIs above post reflect true teaching of Nizari Ismaili (Aga Khani) religion?Yes or No If no please point out and post true belief.Greetings

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MF, Your group is becoming desperate in its attempts at slander: 1) It has IMPERSONATED as Ismaili Tariqa Board; 2) All matter discussed is incorrect or misconstrued. 3) We get bombarded by similar propaganda on almost monthly basis. NOBODY CARES!Thanks for confirming that you have yet another nick of Saifuddin.

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Nizari/asif khan/HafeezCould you enlighten us with your true beliefs?Greetings

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HafeezYoue comment: "Thanks for confirming that you have yet another nick of Saifuddin."My commentsBou you do have delirious mind. If you think I am also saifuddin then its OK for with me.Please do enlighten us with your way of worshipping allah (or Ali is allah), whatever it may be.Greetings

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HafeezGreetingsYiur comment:"2) All matter discussed is incorrect or misconstrued."Please post correct details about your religion so it may not be misconstrued.

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Muslim First, Why? Did we bother correcting the many posts that you and your side-kick posted from akberally's website? NOBODY Cares - you moron!Believe what you may. Saifuddin probably Copied the post from the Ismaili discussion website at Yahoo where it has been posted for all to read & comment.

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The truth shall set you free.Saifuddin is a true Ismaili. He says what he believes in. Unlike the others. There is a category mentioned in the quran for such type of people - hypocrites.

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This post is a forgery...and I thought lying was against the Sunni ehtical code.jim davis

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If you thought lying was again Sunni ethical code why haven't you converted before today?Paul Hogan

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Here is some interesting post from Porus __________________________________________porus posted 04-16-2002 07:04 PM ET (US) Aga Khan is Imam for Aga Khan's followers. From the point of view of everything that is considered Islamic, including observance of 5/7/12 pillars, Aga Khanis ceased to be Muslims long time ago. That Aga Khan is a Muslim Imam descended from Bani Fatima is a joke and all except Aga Khan's followers think that it is a joke. But, they have nice websites with good information on Ismaili history. I have known many Aga Khanis, some good friends. Good, decent people but not Muslims as we understand the word today. ************************************* porus posted 04-16-2002 08:32 PM ET (US) Aga Khanis are just like me. If you observed me and my lifestyle there would be no danger of you concluding that I am a Muslim. And if I claimed to be a Muslim, you would laugh. You would think that I am joking. Believe me, many Bohras are like me too. Like me, they claim to be Muslims, but their lifestyles speak otherwise. And if I were to introduce Aga Khan in a public gathering, I too will say to everybody gathered that Aga Khan is a great Muslim, Imam and a direct descendant of Prophet. And you will publish my oration on your websites *****************************************Hafeez/Nizari, Please do not get me wrong. I think your religion is great and I am full of admiration for your sense of community and the progress your community has made both materially and spiritually under the guidance of Aga Khan.

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Shakeway wrote:"This post is a forgery...and I thought lying was against the Sunni ehtical code. jim davis"ShakewayPlease educate us the true tenents of your religionA. Kalimah of your faith? B. How do you do Ibadah? C. Fasting as practiced in your faith D. What about Hujj?Should you decide not to answer then we will have to assume post of saifuddin is correct as far as Aga Khani Ismailism is concerned

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br. shaksway,Thank you for you post and re: ethics of Sunni-Wahabis - there is no such thing. TO MUSLIM FIRST,The various tenets of our faith has been discussed & heatedly debated at this website by me and asif and nizari. Look it up or ask Qiyam to direct you.BOTTOM LINE: WE have no desire to follow Islam as seen by you & your SAHIH HADEETHS which in my opinion is a FREAK-SHOW. Islam is not only about Fasting & namaz, it is a way of life and how we interact with other human-beings - women, non-muslim, for example.Btw - since you posted what porus had to say; here is what I had to say and equally applies to you. Pls FEEL free to call us non-muslims or believe in saifuddin or who-ever - we are indeed thrilled:My response to Porus: posted 04-16-2002 07:58 PM ET (US) http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/ubb/Forum ... l Topic: What is the real status of the Dai in Ismailism? ________ Porus, And, what would you like us to do with your gem of information?The Joke as you put it - are people like you and the followers of the sahih hadeeths - majority of islam! Care to debate?--"ceased to be a muslim long time ago"---So, did everyone except the wahabis! Get Real man - Nobody cares what you or your freak-show has to say.Can't be much BLOODY clearer than that! ___________Can I be any BLOODY clearer than that- Muslim First?

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Hafeez/naziri/asif khanI do not have to say much but qoute the following: *************************************Please control yourself. I think you are badly in need of deedaar of asanja mola (after Porus) Ismailism - a religion of tolerance, reason and aql!!(after anajmi)

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---Ismailism - a religion of tolerance, reason and aql!!----You better believe it - Boy!This is how you all stack up: bukhari ISLAM - a freak-show! This has been debated rather eloquently; pls LOOK it up.I am thrilled to be called non-muslim by the freak-shows.

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I am so excited that I am been called a freak-show by ismaili non-muslims who first infringe upon space provided by others and then misuse it to further their own agenda. Kind of like what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians. But we all know what the end is going to be.Whooooo I am so thrilled an Ismaili non-muslim is calling me a freak-show oooooo aaaaa, man this is so exciting, I am getting goose bumps all over eeeee aaaaaaaa, hey Ismaili non-muslims call me freak show once again. I need the excitement. ooooooo aaaaaa

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One thing I don't understand for the life of me is that these Ismaillis or would be ismaillis keep saying that they don't care about what we say or believe in. Such liars these Ismailis or would be Ismailis. If they don't care what are they doing on this board?? Well, for one thing they do provide some entertainment and excitement. ooooo aaaaa I am so excited.

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The post that was displayed here is FORGERY. Some idiots have IMPERSONATED OUR TARIQUA board and attributed falsehood to our great Tariqua.

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Aga Khan's followers,When was the last time that Aga Khan performed hajj? I mean, when did he lasty go to Makka for tawaaf around the Kaaba?Prophet did that, you know, and hajj is a pillar of Islam. Do Aga Khanis say they follow the Prophet and that they recite "Muhammadun Rasulullah"? Or do they follow one of their Fatimid imams (ha, ha!) who declared they no longer need to follow the prophet of Islam?

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I would remind you all that the Agha Khan did say in public conference of muslim scholars that He follows the Quran and the Prophet and his legacy (sunnah). I've have stated this before...and got no response. I am quoting it again.

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We follow the Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet in its essence. however, the outward form and interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah must be followed according to the current times as interpreted by an ever living, ever present Holy Imam, who is in the form of the Aga Khan.

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So the outward interpretation of the sunnah of the prophet to perform hajj is to not perform hajj.

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Dear Nizari, What you wrote is not what your Hazar Imam said...I meant exactly what he said..in plain and simple english."In the face of this changing world, which was once a universe to us and is now no more than an overcrowded island, confronted with a fundamental challenge to our understanding of time, surrounded by a foreign fleet of cultural and ideological ships which have broken loose, I ask, "Do we have a clear, firm and precise understanding of what Muslim Society is to be in times to come?" And if as I believe, the answer is uncertain, where else can we search then in the Holy Quran, and in the example of Allah's last and final Prophet?"By this, your Hazar Imam is saying the answer for uncertainties can be found in the Quran and the sunnah. That of the Prophet 1400 years ago...applied to today...not changed for today!

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So the sunnah of the prophet says that Muslims will go to heaven, the outward interpretation of the living Imam will be that the Ismailis will go to hell!!Excellent interpretation by an excellent living imam.

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Well known mystical principle is that "outer reflects the inner".Did Prophet practice both inner and outer? If his "outer" was on display as well-known Muslim practices familiar even in the present day, would it not be true to say that his "inner" was pre-cursor to what was on display?If Prophet's "inner" practices were Islam's essence then, Aga Khanis must say that because their "outer" is non-Islamic, their "inner" must be something other than prophet's "inner". That is to say that Aga Khanis' essense of Islam is very different from Prophet's essence of Islam.So it is not Islam as Prophet understood it that these Aga Khanis follow.

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Dear Porus, You bring out a good point. And part of this is why sufism pull so much from the Ismaili teachings during its development...and why some sufi tariqas today resemble the Agha Khanis today.The Prophet, as well as every Imam (both Fatimi and Nizari Imam thereafter), taught that the muslim must strengthen himself with the outer ilm (practices) in order for him to grasp and solidify the inner ilm. As one further performs and strengthen the outer...so to will he excel in grasping the inner realities of Islam.

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How are our outer practices un-Islamic? And according to what?

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The prophet (pbuh) performed Hajj which is islamic, ismailis do notThe prophet (pbuh) performed Namaz which is islamic, ismailis do notetc etc

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Ismailis do perform Hajj. In addition, we go on pilgrimage to the Imam of the time, a journey far greater than normal Hajj.As for Namaz, plz provide Quranic proof that "Namaz" as in the exact prayer is required to be Muslim.

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Nizari, Why it is unIslamic s/b obvious. Because nizaris do not follow the "literal sunnah" of the 7th century. It will always come to this point AND all future must be rigid in the image of the 7th century. THIS is how Islam is to eternal- FREEZE Ummah in the 7th century and for all eternity.They have NO CHOICE but to follow the literal sunnah and thus the angst against nizaris. Tell them - Good luck and move on. They cannot EVEN dream without their Sunnah.Qiyam, Nizari tariqa and its practise is approved and put into place by the HI - Okay? Get the message so stop your broken record and its sunnah, sunah and more sunnah. Porus/Ali Durrran, I see you are still at it. Comparing what the prophet practised in the 7th century with what we practise - today?Isn't that the same as saying that you practise the literal 7th century sunnah as per BUKHARI and nizaris follow it in its essence. You my friend are a freakshow.

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