Were our Syednas law-abiding?

[fustrate_Bohra]

Salaam,

Our syedna says "JE DESH MA RAHO ENA WAFADAR THAI NE RAHO"

I find following things which reflects that the preachers themselves are NOT at all law abiding

1. Excommunication
2. Forceful extortion of money in the name of religion
3. Sale of kabar land (which are given free by government)
4. No Freedom of speech

I had mentioned only those points which had been seen or experienced by us so i think NOBODY CAN REFUTE THIS.

Members feel free to add to the list of laws broken by this dacoit family

Vas-salaam

[Kaka Akela]

I would venture to say the first 50 Dais may have been very Law-abiding. but I have my doubts about the last 3 dais.

STS gulped down all the private individual trusts, Adam ji peer bhai lands and bunglows, by coercion he created a country within a country with his own laws and jamaat constitutions.

SMB created a lot of money laundering to foreign (swiss) banks, creating a Dawat e Hadiyah account(tax free) in every country to swiftly move his ill-gotten wealth from ziyafats and titles and bethaks anywhere in the world with a quick bank transfer. created many a schemes to take away a momin's money in the guise of religious donations.

SMS met with PM Modi and greased his palm to not release the names on the list of Swiss bank account holders, earlier Modi had very forcefully decided to release the names now he is not going to. qatal un nafs (killing anyone including animals that can not be consumed either) is akhlaq e mazmooma which is prohibited in our religion, but he does it with impunity.

[ghulam muhammed]

The biggest is human rights violation which is rampant and for everyone to see.

[ghulam muhammed]

LAW ABIDING ??? ....

In 1918 Mulla Ghazanfarali was beaten up in Saifee Daras, Surat.

Sheikh Ishaqali was battered and thrown into the gutter.

Tayebbhai Thanawalla who had been a witness in the Chandabhai Gulla case was assaulted and his ears were cut off. The culprit in this case was caught and was sentenced to three years imprisonment.

In 1920 the homes of Sheikh Faizullahbhai Hamdani and Sheikh Ismailbhai Luqmani were invaded by a mob. They pelted stones and threatened to set fire simply because they had performed the 'nikaah' of Hatimbhai, son of Sheikh Faizullahbhai, with the daughter of Sheikh Ismailbhai without the consent of Saifuddin Sahib. In fact he had withheld his consent because both of these dignitaries had given witness against him in the Chandabhai Gulla case.

Stones and mud were thrown at the coffin of Sharafali Mamooji. It was he who, in conjunction with Karimbhoy Sir Adamji, had demanded the account of the Gulla placed at the Chandabhai shrine. Ibrahim Sir Adamji was brutally assaulted by hired goondas but luckily he survived. The goondas were Muhammadali Hakimji, Roshanali Muhammadali Rangwalla and Ismail Tayebali. They were apprehended and each of them was sentenced to imprisonment with hard labor and a fine of Rs 1,000. The servant of Fazalbhai Hakimuddin named Jaafar was murdered because he was an eye witness to certain criminal incidents.

Abdul Qadir, son in law of Saifuddin Sahib was a persona non grata and met with his death under suspicious circumstances. Saifuddin Sahib chose another son in law who was already married and who loved his wife dearly. Subsequently he was forced to divorce his first wife from whom he had a young son who used to visit his father frequently. One day the young boy was missing and after a search his body was recovered from the water reservoir inside the house. A charge of murder against the step mother of the son in law was registered in the magistrate's court in Surat but no conviction was made. No one knows why.

The grave of Alibhai Sir Adamji's wife in Charni Road cemetery was dug up and the freshly buried body of the deceased lady was removed and thrown on the public road in the early hours of the morning. It appears the case was suppressed with the aid of very large bribes. This heinous crime was perpetrated by four persons one of whom was Roshanali Muhammadali. After a number of years he felt remorse and he visited Ibrahim Sir Adamji whom he had assaulted previously and sought his forgiveness for the crimes he had committed. He used to say to him, "I worshipped Syedna as God and it was he who prompted us to commit this sacrilege of exhuming the body of the deceased. We had such blind faith in him that we would have done anything for him." Roshanali was very good at reciting 'marsiyas' and he used to attend Muharram majIises organized at the residence of Adamji Sons.

In Mumbai during the year 1945 acid was thrown on the face of Mulla Abbas Aurangabadi who was running a paper called 'Munsif' in which he used to expose the evil deeds committed by the priest class as a whole. As a result he lost one of his eyes and had to make frequent visits to the hospital for skin grafting on the face.

[humanbeing]

Money Laundering from offshore accounts into India through hawala. The amounts involved are huge and run into millions and crores. This unaccounted black money collected through wajebaat, najwa, ziayafat and other many schemes run by bohra jamats around the world is coordinated between influential bohra businessmen with good contacts in governments and are awarded titles of sheikh and mullahs depending on their depth of involvement. Kothar is well equipped and self reliant with these bunch of money launderers who are religiously motivated and loyal to their master in the event of an expose to take the blame and go underground for some time to rise again in another city and country to continue with their activities.

Violate the visa regulations ; Kuwait grants religious tourist visa for priests. Collection of funds is prohibited in such visits, unless a prior approval has been taken from the government. Such approval comes with supervision and accountability of the funds collected for its intended use. But the bohra mullahs violate this rule, trust and hospitality extended by Kuwait government, they shamelessly grab the monies from all corners and siphon off the money to offshore accounts through hawala.

Running unauthorized school in Kuwait : The Kuwait jamat is running a haphazardly organized schooling system, without knowledge of local authorities as well as education ministry in Kuwait. Such a school set up was once caught and ordered shut by authorities. Yet jamaat has the guts and contacts to continue running with utmost secrecy. Local gathering centres (markaz) underground basement structures are used to run these madrassahs. Teachers are either jamea graduates or drop outs who have entered Kuwait working in various professions or educated house-wives for secular subjects on peanut salaries. Whereas the fees of such make-shift madrassah is equal or greater than functional and authorized schools in Kuwait. Although there is a huge MSB project coming up in Kuwait for which the bohras of Kuwait are paying through their noses for completion.

[ghulam muhammed]

This unaccounted black money collected through wajebaat, najwa, ziayafat and other many schemes run by bohra jamats around the world is coordinated between influential bohra businessmen with good contacts in governments and are awarded titles of sheikh and mullahs depending on their depth of involvement.

Earlier there were people like Sheikh Fakhrudin Lakdawala, a sidhpuri having an office at Mohamedali road, opp. BMC Bank, Mumbai who did the majority of hawala transactions and now we have people like Badri Lacewalla from Surat who once owned a tiny shop selling lace in Surat but is now an owner of a helicopter and other multi crore businesses all of which are just a front for Muffy and his black money !!

[james]

Money Laundering from offshore accounts into India through hawala. The amounts involved are huge and run into millions and crores. This unaccounted black money collected through wajebaat, najwa, ziayafat and other many schemes run by bohra jamats around the world is coordinated between influential bohra businessmen with good contacts in governments and are awarded titles of sheikh and mullahs depending on their depth of involvement. Kothar is well equipped and self reliant with these bunch of money launderers who are religiously motivated and loyal to their master in the event of an expose to take the blame and go underground for some time to rise again in another city and country to continue with their activities.

Can you back up your wild and fanciful claims with Proof?

Quran 17:36 describes you down to the tee.

Violate the visa regulations ; Kuwait grants religious tourist visa for priests. Collection of funds is prohibited in such visits, unless a prior approval has been taken from the government. Such approval comes with supervision and accountability of the funds collected for its intended use. But the bohra mullahs violate this rule, trust and hospitality extended by Kuwait government, they shamelessly grab the monies from all corners and siphon off the money to offshore accounts through hawala.

Have you inquired with the Kuwaiti Government whether prior approval has been granted or lack thereof?

Quran 49:6.

[ghulam muhammed]

Money Laundering from offshore accounts into India through hawala. The amounts involved are huge and run into millions and crores. This unaccounted black money collected through wajebaat, najwa, ziayafat and other many schemes run by bohra jamats around the world is coordinated between influential bohra businessmen with good contacts in governments and are awarded titles of sheikh and mullahs depending on their depth of involvement. Kothar is well equipped and self reliant with these bunch of money launderers who are religiously motivated and loyal to their master in the event of an expose to take the blame and go underground for some time to rise again in another city and country to continue with their activities.

Can you back up your wild and fanciful claims with Proof?

Quran 17:36 describes you down to the tee.

Violate the visa regulations ; Kuwait grants religious tourist visa for priests. Collection of funds is prohibited in such visits, unless a prior approval has been taken from the government. Such approval comes with supervision and accountability of the funds collected for its intended use. But the bohra mullahs violate this rule, trust and hospitality extended by Kuwait government, they shamelessly grab the monies from all corners and siphon off the money to offshore accounts through hawala.

Have you inquired with the Kuwaiti Government whether prior approval has been granted or lack thereof?

Quran 49:6.

Its like asking the critics of Sharad Pawar or other corrupt politicians to back up with proofs their charges of corruption against these lowly leaders !! Even Modi has not been tried by a single court of law for his role in the Gujarat 2002 massacre of Muslims although there were enough proofs against him. Does it absolve these goondas from their grave acts of violence and corruption ??

[ghulam muhammed]

Excerpts from an article by Mr. Asghar Ali Engineer :-

Sayydina Muhammad Burhanuddin was caught smuggling money from Tanzania and was externed from there by the Tanzanian Government. Once present da'i's uncle Ibrahim Zainuddin was caught with diamonds and other precious stones in his turban on 20th April 1957 trying to smuggle them from Sri Lanka. At another time Yusuf Najmuddin, brother of present da'i was caught smuggling Kenyan money on 17th March 1977 and once the present da'i himself was caught and deported from Tanzania on 15th August 1968.

[New]

No no one was tried and convicted, yes James is right. SMB did stirr up a riot in Bhendi Bazzar and apologised on the TV through the present Mukasir and Ali Asghar BS. Do you know any person with that stature insulting religious sentiments of another community? Sorry I do not have the clip of that TV appearance. So now his son has learned to do laanats on his uncle, via proxy.

[ghulam muhammed]

Some more crimes as per earlier post by Al Zulfiqar :-

1. He was kicked out of Tanzania about 40 years ago for smuggling diamonds and precious stones in violation of international and Tanzanian customs laws and indulging in massive hera pheri of foreign exchange. It was only after some 20 odd years + hefty bribes + pulling influential strings through well-known lawyers like Advocate Khambalia and MP's that syedna was allowed to re-enter. Even all this would have been in vain, if it hadn't been for the fortuitous departure of President Nyerere, as after regime change, the new corrupt regime needed money to fill its coffers.


2. Syedna was kicked out of Saudi Arabia in the late 80's and could not visit there for nearly 22 years. It was only after much begging and cajoling that he was allowed to enter but put under strict restrictions of speech and movements. Only some few people were allowed to land with him at the Jeddah airport, no show-sha, no naarabaazi and no public appearances. Not a single Saudi govt official went to visit him or gave him any importance.


3. The syedna has been cited as a tyrannical leader who oppresses, exploits and inflicts persecution on his community, who does not discourage violent opposition on those who raise dissenting voices against him or his repressive and extortionist policies; by 2 different independent judicial commissions constituted by the Indian govt. These 2 commissions, the Nathwani commission and the Tewatia commission, comprised of highly respected Supreme Court judges who travelled all over India, met with affected parties on both sides and after a long and ardous study published their lengthy and impartial report. Both these reports were tabled in parliament and are part of official govt records which anyone can access.


4. The syedna had to submit an official apology in writing and on national TV in India, after he openly uttered laanats on the first 3 khalifas in Bombay during moharram and 6 bohras were killed and crores worth of bohra properties destroyed. He was forced by the Maharashtra govt of the time and the other Muslim leaders to do so or else they would file criminal cases against him for uttering inflammatory speeches and inciting communal disharmony and riots.


5. His brother Yusuf Najmuddin was murdered in Egypt by land mafias for cheating them and getting involved in underhand illegal dealings.


6. After his visit to Dubai some ten years ago for moharram tamasha, the Dubai jamaat was fined 10 million dirhams= 12 crore rupees, as over 3000 bohras stayed back illegally and absconded. Moreover bohras looted hotel property, were caught shoplifting and some bohra women were even caught for prostitution. This was a serious loss of credibility for syedna who claims to have ghaib nu ilm, and for bohras in general. The privileges given to bohras during that event have been withdrawn and syedna has not been granted permission again to hold such an event again in Dubai.


7. Legal cases have been mounted against syedna for inciting mobs to murder his own 4 ustaads, for desecrating graves of reformist bohras and throwing their naked corpses out on the street, for looking on silently while bohra women of Udaipur were being assaulted in his presence, for excommunicating bohras who refuse to follow his unislamic diktats etc etc. Many of these cases are still in courts, deliberately stalled by syedna’s counsel by use of money, threats and delaying tactics.


8. He is the only religious/spiritual leader in the world who has the shaukh of hunting wild animals of endangered species for his pleasure as a sport. Ordinary people, most of them criminals, may indulge in bribing corrupt officials and murder elephants, lions and big game, but there is no parallel in modern history of any religious head who is gleefully violating Allah’s commandments himself as clearly spelt out in the Quran!

[humanbeing]

Money Laundering from offshore accounts into India through hawala. The amounts involved are huge and run into millions and crores. This unaccounted black money collected through wajebaat, najwa, ziayafat and other many schemes run by bohra jamats around the world is coordinated between influential bohra businessmen with good contacts in governments and are awarded titles of sheikh and mullahs depending on their depth of involvement. Kothar is well equipped and self reliant with these bunch of money launderers who are religiously motivated and loyal to their master in the event of an expose to take the blame and go underground for some time to rise again in another city and country to continue with their activities.

Can you back up your wild and fanciful claims with Proof?

Quran 17:36 describes you down to the tee.

Violate the visa regulations ; Kuwait grants religious tourist visa for priests. Collection of funds is prohibited in such visits, unless a prior approval has been taken from the government. Such approval comes with supervision and accountability of the funds collected for its intended use. But the bohra mullahs violate this rule, trust and hospitality extended by Kuwait government, they shamelessly grab the monies from all corners and siphon off the money to offshore accounts through hawala.

Have you inquired with the Kuwaiti Government whether prior approval has been granted or lack thereof?

Quran 49:6.

Ohh !! Kuwait jamaat collects millions to their greed and thrash anyone who ask for proof and accounts, while abdes are asking for proof for the obvious corrupt practices happening at broad daylight. Hawala is a common practice and most preferred medium of money exchange or money laundering by people in Kuwait. Such huge amount of money collected cannot be shipped offshore officially through banking systems because first; banking system needs justification to transfer corporate, co-operative society, charity funds through their system. second; Kuwait jamaat does not declare, account or submit statements of wajebaat and other taxes collected to local ministry. At max they declare sabeel contribution as subscription / maintenance fees as administrative expenses and not religious donation as zakat, sadaqa or other charities. Because if they declare the funds collected under such categories, they need to account / channel the collections through such ministries until their final utilization be it inside Kuwait or outside.

First of all, the whole borha community is very well controlled and submissive to blow the whistle, those few who dared has been checked and taken care of, plus ministry officials are taken care of and manipulated. Kothari jamat are masters in taking care of such things, after all, deception is their full time job.

The monies collected are coordinated and laundered by sheikh and mullah titled businessmen who are rankholder in the jamaat. The bundles of cash collected cannot be kept in Kuwait jamat accounts which are accounted and monitored by authorities. Therefore these unaccounted cash is kept in commercial accounts under various businesses held by these businessmen. This is considered “daawat-ni-khidmat” … sheikhs and mullahs gloat in pride and boast about such daawat-ni-khidmat.

What is routine and general looks wild and fanciful, abde like it wild and fanciful isn’t it ?

[james]

Ohh !! Kuwait jamaat collects millions to their greed and thrash anyone who ask for proof and accounts, while abdes are asking for proof for the obvious corrupt practices happening at broad daylight. Hawala is a common practice and most preferred medium of money exchange or money laundering by people in Kuwait. Such huge amount of money collected cannot be shipped offshore officially through banking systems because first; banking system needs justification to transfer corporate, co-operative society, charity funds through their system. second; Kuwait jamaat does not declare, account or submit statements of wajebaat and other taxes collected to local ministry. At max they declare sabeel contribution as subscription / maintenance fees as administrative expenses and not religious donation as zakat, sadaqa or other charities. Because if they declare the funds collected under such categories, they need to account / channel the collections through such ministries until their final utilization be it inside Kuwait or outside.

First of all, the whole borha community is very well controlled and submissive to blow the whistle, those few who dared has been checked and taken care of, plus ministry officials are taken care of and manipulated. Kothari jamat are masters in taking care of such things, after all, deception is their full time job.

The monies collected are coordinated and laundered by sheikh and mullah titled businessmen who are rankholder in the jamaat. The bundles of cash collected cannot be kept in Kuwait jamat accounts which are accounted and monitored by authorities. Therefore these unaccounted cash is kept in commercial accounts under various businesses held by these businessmen. This is considered “daawat-ni-khidmat” … sheikhs and mullahs gloat in pride and boast about such daawat-ni-khidmat.

What is routine and general looks wild and fanciful, abde like it wild and fanciful isn’t it ?

Your wild theories are just that.Bring forth proof of your stupid claims and then you shall be taken seriously.

Till then ponder upon Quran 49:6.

[alivasan]

I would venture to say the first 50 Dais may have been very Law-abiding. but I have my doubts about the last 3 dais.

STS gulped down all the private individual trusts, Adam ji peer bhai lands and bunglows, by coercion he created a country within a country with his own laws and jamaat constitutions.

SMB created a lot of money laundering to foreign (swiss) banks, creating a Dawat e Hadiyah account(tax free) in every country to swiftly move his ill-gotten wealth from ziyafats and titles and bethaks anywhere in the world with a quick bank transfer. created many a schemes to take away a momin's money in the guise of religious donations.

SMS met with PM Modi and greased his palm to not release the names on the list of Swiss bank account holders, earlier Modi had very forcefully decided to release the names now he is not going to. qatal un nafs (killing anyone including animals that can not be consumed either) is akhlaq e mazmooma which is prohibited in our religion, but he does it with impunity.

Does anyone know if dawaat e hadiyah account appears in list leaked from HSBC 450 accounts..the recent times news say that before 31st march some 200 plus account holders are being sent notices and another 200 are not traceable.I strongly feel IT dept should make detail probe in dawat e hadiyah..its quite imperative kothar is hiding factual data on money laundering and what is known in public is just tip of iceberg.

[think]

And , folks think about it, there is proof everywhere and yet the blind james needs proof. Yes, I can give you proof. This was the month of june in the year 1975 when my uncle was the karachi jamaat secretary. He had some disagreement with the then Tahir bhaisaheb. One fine morning he was called to see Tahir bhaisaheb at Adam masjid.
As he was going up the steps a bottle of acid was thrown on his face and his entire face was burned. There are ample witnesses and the proof is that he was in the burn treatement ward of the local hospital . He never did recover, every time he saw his face it gave him great saddness and depretion. He died at a very early age. Tahir bhaisaheb's son Nuruddin bhaisaheb is a number one thug and is maintaining connections with the local karachi mafia by giving them big monies which has been collected from the mumineen of karachi. just note the high wajebaats and sabil demanded by this crook of crooks. His brother- in- law Tayeb bhaisaheb was nothing less than a first quality goonda and has given pain and suffering to a lot of mumineens of karachi. To day his sons are karachi jamia teachers and loot the same way . like father like son. so do not ask about proof. Lift the veil from your eyes and thou shalt reach the truth.
This, zada, mulla saheb and bhaisaheb is nothing less than a gang of thieves looting the bohri's in the name of religion.
bohri religion is no more. It is simply , I scratch your back and you scratch mine. This is the name of the game and this is the reason why you see uneducated and goondas being given titles of mullas and sheikhs . People who gamble and consume alcohol and womenize and help the kothar with chaneling their black money. These are the group of people who have their interest at stake and will change statements to save the clergy of all their wrong doings.

[ghulam muhammed]

I strongly feel IT dept should make detail probe in dawat e hadiyah..its quite imperative kothar is hiding factual data on money laundering and what is known in public is just tip of iceberg.

The entire world is aware of the massive frauds and money laundering done by such fake godmen but tell me how many have been investigated and tried in court ? Its all about pulling the right strings and in Bohra's case its all about draping shawls on the right persons and showering hundreds of crores to them looted from the abdes. To expect thorough and unbiased investigation from these goonda corrupt politicians is a far fetched dream.