Is this Human

[Aftab]

Sh. Husseinbhai Hebatullah,

I would like to bring to your attention that after the sudden anduntimely death of my Beloved wife Rubeena Mandviwalla on 30th July 2006, youdecided upon yourself to announce the expulsion of certain members of the Bohra community including my in-laws who attended the funeral.

At first, you have no right whatsoever to deny a Muslim to attend the funeral of another Muslim sister or brother, so all the Muslim brothersand sisters through out Kenya would like to know the basis of your decision of expelling these community members, which you can not deny as this wasdone at a community gathering.

In view of your decision to expel community members who associated or participated in the funeral of my Beloved wife, I would like to inform you that some people from your inner core circle also visited our home the very same morning to convey their condolences.

According to them and by your Jamat views, they knew that they should not have come to our house. The reason I am informing you of their visit is because your decision of picking on a few individuals and not all those who participated in grieving with my children and I. Everyone should be then expelled from the community and the names announced in public at acommunity gathering just like it was done for my in-laws and some other friends whoof course in the eyes of Allah SWA, were merely performing their obligatory duties.

I can start giving you many examples and hadiths of our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) in relation to attending funerals of Muslim brothers and sistersand the obligations we have during this time with the family of the bereaved, but I truly and humbly believe you are not ignorant of these facts and so I will not want to show any disrespect to you as a community elder who has been appointed by His Holiness to run the affairs of the Bohra community with harmony and due respect within the Muslim and other communities herein Kenya.

The reason I have taken my stand of not participating in the community affairs has nothing to do with my personal faith and belief in HisHoliness, but has everything to do with the people running the local Jamat affairsand abuse of office, namely yourself, your family members and your innercircle associates who believe in undermining, suppressing and extorting moneyfrom the poor members of this community.

My late father who gave his entire life to the community was a humble and honest man, but just because he kept in contact with his blood brother who was expelled from the community by you and your associates, my father was> also expelled from the community for sometime and was only accepted backin the community after begging for more than six months at your Jamatoffices. The humiliation and pain that he went through at the time was so muchthat he fell ill that eventually led to his death. I swore from that day thatI would never go through the same humiliation my another human being especially from someone who is supposed to look after the communitymembers and not humiliate them or suppress them.

I will return back to the community, the day when you and your associates will resign and step down from office, which is very unlikely, the way things have been going for the past 40 years.

In the name of Allah SWA, I beg you to repent and realise your mistakesand inshallah Allah SWA will forgive you for your sins. Allah SWA is most forgiving and beneficent.

Your brother in Islam.

Arif Mandviwalla
Son of The late Ismail Mandviwalla (Mombasa) NB

PS: I would like to request everyone to forward this email to as many people as possible so that people in this world can know what sort of Bohra community we live in here in Kenya and especially in Nairobi.

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[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Let us all condemn this inhuman & unislamic action of the corrupt Amil in strongest words-It is time we all wake up from the tyranny of Kothar and elect our own members of the Jamat and kick all the chamchas out!

[S. Insaf]

Dear Arif Mandviwalla and Dr. Mohammad Hasain
Please report this to the Supreme Court of India in the form of an affidevit.
You can also send the affidevits to:
Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community
9-B Himsalaya Appt. Sixth Road, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai - 400 055
to be included in the writ petition (Civil) No. 740 0f 1986. The case is now going on.

[accountability]

dear insaf: Can you please elobrate on the above said case, when you said, it is going on, it means that the proceedings are on.

[accountability]

I do condemn any atrocity, being prepretated in the name of religion. Amil had no right to excommunicate anyone from any religion.

[Why]

I think this Sh. Husseinbhai Hebatullah, is not an Amil. He is from the same family who has humiliated Sayedi Mazoon Saheb long back.

The incident cited by Arif Mandviwalla is indeed to be condemned, pro_pigs and others who always speaks in favor of Amils and Kothar will open their eyes and will joint with us to condemn this in human behaviors in the strongest words.

The incident must be brought to the lime light to all the mumenins and to the concerned authority so that the culprit can be brought to the book and punished and in future no body will venture to do this inhuman act.

Wassalam.

[Aftab]

AN OPEN LETTER TO SH. HUSSEINBHAI HEBATULLAH

On the night of 12th Rajab H1427 (SUNDAY 6TH AUGUST 2006), during the Majlisof Milad Mubarak of Amir ul Mumineen (A.S.) you announced the expulsion(baraat) of the family of Mohammedhussein M Moossajee Cherawalla citingreasons of attendance of the burial of our daughter and sister whose sad andsudden demise occurred on 30th July 2006 and on which day the undersignedspoke to you requesting that you instruct the person concerned for arrangingpreparation of the grave at the Bohra Cemetery.

At the same time, you were also informed of our decision to attend theburial ceremony to which your reaction was of an uncouth and cruel outburstin which you threatened to take the action of baraat and also to deny togive a piece of earth to other members of our family upon their demise. We have not committed any mistakes or broken any laws whether religious,social or territorial.

We are a law-abiding family who are successful inthe glass business through sheer hard work and continual investment intotechnology, management, and stock and infrastructure. We have maintainedfair trading practices that have been passed on to us by our ancestorsthrough the teachings of Islam.

We go back four generations in Kenya throughout which we have activelyparticipated in community activities in various ways. We swear allegiance toAlmighty Allah, Quranic teachings, the Holy Prophet (S.A.W), his family(Ahl-albayt) and our Dai Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (T.U.S.).

We question the validity of your decision and take strong exception to theabuse of office and lack of protocol that is apparent from your immediateannouncement during our telephone conversation of 30th July 2006, to takeaction of baraat as well as other threats.

We dare speculate that the mainagenda behind your decision is to disadvantage and cripple us in businessdue to the immediate repercussions as the result of our mumineen staffrelinquishing their positions and mumineen customers shying away fromplacing orders with us. In our opinion the action you have taken in makingus outcast with social ostracism and inciting other community members not tohave any contact with us, is no where within your authority and thereforenot valid. The unfortunate outcome of your decision, which may not haveoccurred to you, is that it distances us from our beloved Aqa Moula and trysto shake the fundamentals of our faith. Allah blessed us the birth in amumineen family and you certainly cannot decide whether we are DawoodiBohras or not.

Thus we end by rejecting your decision and beseeching Almighty Allah toguide us in our pursuit of truth. May Allah Subhanu watalaa grant our Moulaa long and healthy life.

Ameen.

MOHAMMEDHUSSEIN M MOOSSAJEE
SAJJADHUSSEIN M MOOSSAJEE
ZAINOODIN M MOOSSAJEE

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[Humsafar]

My condolences to Arif and his family. I met Rubeena only but briefly and was much charmed by her. It's tragic that she lost her life so horriblly (shot dead by thieves) and then suffer the ultimate indignity of having her relatives punished for attending her funeral.

Sh. Hebtullah's action is a crime against humanity. In a less civilised society he would be dragged to the city centre and torn to pieces. It is to his good fortune and our bad luck that we no longer operate by such norms. So what are decent people to do but to appeal to the good sense of others. All the good men and women of Nairobi jamaat who have any sense of decency should strongly condemn this shaikh's action and take a protest march to his office, threaten his life and limb and not leave until he takes back his decision and apologises. Nothing short of that should be acceptable. That's what we did in Udaipur in the early 70s - we started a riot to protest the amils and kothar's heavy-handed actions and launched a reform movement which continues to be a thorn on Kothar's side.

Do something you people of Nairobi. Don't sit on your haunches and feign helplessness.

Accnty,

The case Insaf bhai is referring to is, I think, about ex-communication that Central Board has launched against the Sayedna. In response to this case, the Kothar for the past few years has "lifted" all baraat edicts to "create evidence" that it does use baraat anymore. The Nairobi incident is a good example to show that this is not the case. An affidavit about this incident will strengthen the reformists' case.

[Aftab]

Do something you people of Nairobi. Don't sit on your haunches and feign helplessness.

All the leading benefactors in East Africa are excommunicated. These people still give generously to whoever knocks on their doors. Chithiwalla's have no such resource. Yet these people will not winch an eye lash to side with the Hebatullas as they love their chitti dearly. The jamattes are lucky to have such wise and generous people that they really do not care whether they are chithiwall's or not. Look on the other side of the camp, they screen you and humiliate you to know how deep you are in chitthi.

I have numerous examples of previous similar experiences. One such is that of Amirali Nawsariwalla's young son death. Due to the grief and mourning they did not attend Syednas Saligirah majlis that took place two days later and there for their chithi was closed. They had to apologise and get thier chithi renewed. This is height of humiliation as well as subordination by our community.

[accountability]

One such is that of Amirali Nawsariwalla's young son death. Due to the grief and mourning they did not attend Syednas Saligirah majlis that took place two days later and there for their chithi was closed. They had to apologise and get thier chithi renewed.

My God, I can't believe this. People can be so cruel and inhuman. I dont know, how to condemn this. But irony is that, those apologised gave a boost to his (amil's) moral.

Worst tyrant is one who bears it.

[tahir]

Such incidences are cosmetic symptoms of a deep rooted evil that is dawat. Condemning such incidences will not cure the desease. The institution of dawat has to be abolished. This purely admiistrative seat has been outliving its utility for more than 200 years.

With the advent of nation state and a proper administrative system in place, the seat of dai had become redundant. However, being ceremonial in nature, the dawat wasn't much of a pain for bohras until it fell in the hands of the ambitious evil dwarf taher saifuddin.

[mbohra]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5098074.stm

Only when the rank and files like courageous Mr. Haider Ali of Neemuch Madhya Pradesh of India defies the Kothar, then the community can and will come out of the rut of dictatorship, extortion, exploitation, corruption and outright anti-islamism of ONE family.

Bravo, Mr. HAider Ali and Family. May Allh bless you for your wisdom and generosity.

[profrog]

arif or aftab you chose the life you lived so now live with the consequences also without complaining.as for sajjad when did our moula suddenly become your "beloved aqa moula".where were you when your brother abused him in front of witnesses,and now suddenly he is your beloved moula when you do not obey a single farman of his, do not be a hypocrate like iblis

[galaxee]

Originally posted by S. Insaf:
Dear Arif Mandviwalla and Dr. Mohammad Hasain
Please report this to the Supreme Court of India in the form of an affidevit.
You can also send the affidevits to:
Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community
9-B Himsalaya Appt. Sixth Road, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai - 400 055
to be included in the writ petition (Civil) No. 740 0f 1986. The case is now going on.

The reformists in udaipur also try to pressurise its members not to have relations with the orthodox & refrain tehm from calling to their community centres. if anybody call then they are warned of their repurcussions. sometime back a case was also registered in this regard when a few people tried to send of the people from the jamatkhana. this case seems like a du-dhari talwar one edge facing the opponent & the other edge facing the user. beware of this pls
Although there is no official words on this at but people of the refoirmists group are warned from having relations with the orthodox

[Humsafar]

Galaxee,

Last time you were here, you were talking about corrupt selfish reformist leaders and when I asked you to name names and give specifics, you disappeared.

Now you are back again spreading another lie. Reformists in Udaipur are free to meet everbody - they not only meet but visit orthodox relatives' homes and invite them for religious and family functions. I visit my orthodox relatives without a second thought. Give me one example of the jamaat trying to "pressurise its members not to have relations with the orthodox". The only edict that jamaat imposes is that reformists do not invite orthodox to our jamaatkhana. And as I explained many times before, there's a strategic reason for this: if the orthodox start coming to the jamatkhana, the reformists may likely lose control of it.

True, some people do not agree with this strategy, which is fine. But this decision is jamaat's which is democratically elected and represents the voice of the majority. Galaxee, you've the freedom to criticise - unlike your orthodox counterparts whom I suspect you secretly admire - but with this freedom comes the responsibilty to get your facts straight first.

[tahir]

Galaxee is an obvious kothari pretending to be neutral so that his propoganda sounds believable.

[galaxee]

Originally posted by tahir:
Galaxee is an obvious kothari pretending to be neutral so that his propoganda sounds believable.

i do not need your vocal support or any authentication that i am from the kothar & not reformist.what i said is true.im just wwaiting for the right platform to show what we were & where we have reached under the so called reformists leadership

[tahir]

Sorry galaxee,
Your escaping away from so many pointed questions have made your agenda pretty clear. I would have loved to listen to you had you not committed the typical kothari blunder of exposing your baselessness (ala burhanuddin).

[Why]

Dear Galaxy,

Which platform you need better than this board!

Please vent your grievances out here but remember that being a reformist only complaint will not solve the problem.

You have a big tool of democracy in the environment of reformist group which is not in the so called Dawat. You can use the same and come in to the main stream by putting your self in the process of election and see that the right persons get elected.

If any decision is taken by the elected body by majority in the interest of the society, must be bound by all and if any individual are suffered by their decision, can not complaint since they are elected.

Wassalam

[kimanumanu]

I wonder what the lanat spewing toli think of this?

[Saleemullah]

Hebatullah brothers are nothing but the slaves and brain washed of syedna.
they are just doing whatever they are suppose to do in order to make people threaten about syedna and his family.
so that no one can even think of contacting the reformist people. Because if and orthodox interacts continuously with a reformist then it can be dangerous for the money making machinery of our so called DAI and his goons the so called Kothar. They dont want the orthodox bohras who are nothing but mere puppets to the dai and their Amils hands to even think against their money making machinery because then the seat of DAI and his goons can be in a big trouble.
I am proud that i am a reformist and i hate our present DAI and his money Making machinery to the highest standards of hate.
Please Guys please try and understand the fact about our present DAWAT system which is totally corrupt. I am referring to our brothers who are the true believers of Syedna Saheb in this forum we don't have any problem with your Aqeeda towards Syedna but then it should not be a blind faith as their is no place for blind faith in ISLAM. These all are unislamic practices. Please dear brothers and sisters open your eyes and look at the truth about the religion of islam.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the question "IS THIS HUMAN"? makes no sense.

how can you ask such a question to 'haiwaans', what would they know about humanity?