Allah - The God

[Danish]

Who and what is Allah and what is the difference between Allah and Allat? Can anyone here shed some light on this? Thanks.

[Average Bohra]

Allah is a convenient and mythical creation of Man to absolve itself of all accountability for its own actions. It is a “whipping boyâ€

[anajmi]

Similar to what Jesus Christ was made in America in whose name the Americans have wreaked havoc across the globe.

[Average Bohra]

Exactly...same difference.

We finally agree on something.

[accountability]

In Kitab AL Asnam by Hisham.
Allat is defined as follows.

They then adopted Allat[1] as their goddess. Allat stood in al-Ta'if[2], and was more recent than Manah. She was a cubic[3] rock beside which a certain Jew used to prepare his barley porridge (sawiq). Her custody was in the hands of the banu-'Attab ibn-Malik[4] of the Thaqif[5], who had built an edifice over her. The Quraysh, as well as all the Arabs, were wont to venerate Allat. They also used to name their children after her, calling them Zayd-Allat[6] and Taym-Allat[7].

She stood in the place of the left-hand side minaret of the present-day mosque of al-Ta'if. She is the idol which God mentioned when He said, "Have you seen Allat and al-'Uzza[8]?" It was this same Allat which 'Amr ibn-al-Ju'ayd[9] had in mind when he said:

"In forswearing wine I am like him who hath abjured Allat,
although he had been at one time her devotee."

Likewise it was the same idol to which al-Mutalammis[10] alluded in his satire of 'Amr ibn-al-Mundhirt[11] when he said:
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"Thou hast banished me for fear of lampoon and satire.
No! By Allat and all the sacred baetyls (ansab)[12],
thou shalt not escape[13]."

Allat continued to be venerated until the Thaqif embraced Islam[14], when the Apostle of God dispatched al-Mughirah ibn-Shu'bab[15], who destroyed her and burnt her [temple] to the ground[16].
In this connection, when Allat was destroyed and burnt to the ground, Shaddid ibn-'Arid al-Jushami'[17] said warning the Thaqif not to return to her worship nor attempt to avenge her destruction:

"Come not to Allat, for God hath doomed her to destruction;
How can you stand by one which doth not triumph?
Verily that which, when set on fire, resisted not the flames,
Nor saved her stones, is inglorious and worthless.
Hence when the Apostle in your place shall arrive
And then leave, not one of her votaries shall be left."[18]

Aws ibn-Hajar[19], swearing by Allat, said:

"By Allat and al-'Uzza and those who in them believe,
And by Allah, verily He is greater than both."

[anajmi]

Then I am sure we also agree on the fact that as far as numbers go, those killed in the name of Jesus Christ by the developed west far exceeds (actually by quite a lot) those killed in the name of Allah my the undeveloped muslims.

[Danish]

If Allah is a conceptual, mythical and a philosophical one, then the attributes, such as omnipresent, omniscience, all powerful, most merciful and so forth, becomes nonsensical or perhaps totally misunderstood. Am I correct to weigh this in?

From historical exegetic and analytical standpoint, stemming out of pagan dogmatic ideologies then, isn’t it safe to suggest that Allah is/was a ‘physical supreme male idol’ represented by HE, HIM and HIS and that Allat, Aluzzah and Manaat were Allah’s daughters which were destroyed along with hundreds of other idols so that the ONE Supreme remained?

[anajmi]

accty,

Looks like you've got one more companion.

Hey, if I say that I have given up on salah and roza can I be your companion too?

[accountability]

anajmi: well you could be in my company either way.

Look, I have no resentment against anyone. I have trained myself to just look for the good in anyone, and ignore the misgivings. We all lack something. People have found fault in most perfect of the things. So perfection is an illusion.

I would only suggest, that stubborn attitudes are real impediments in attainment of so called perfection. Fluidity is moving ahead. Evoloution is key to creation, everything and every ideology evolves, has to evolve. Our evoloution from neanderthal to homosapien and the after resurrection, may be angelman.

In surah teen, Allah said, that Laqd khalaqnal insana fi ahsan o taqveem, we created human in the best of shape. so it will remain for ever. we are the most beautiful creature, god may create.

[accountability]

I do not how and when was the first time, word allah was used. I would like know the real and literal meaning of allah, not the conceptual one.

Allah represents a strict supreme montheistic concept of belief. He is credited with all and sundry in entire universe(s).

Philosophically speaking, Allah as we know him, bore recognition with introduction of islam in 7th century arabia. Prior to that, no body or no religion ever used this word.

I was unable find the literal meaning or origin or the language to which it belongs. I asked this question to one muslim scholar, he replied that, meaning or the origin is not specified, for the reason that it has to represent a supreme eternal being. Beacuse of our shortsightedness, we are and wont be able to comprehend the real meaning.

[Danish]

Originally posted by accountability:
anajmi: well you could be in my company either way.
I would only suggest, that stubborn attitudes are real impediments in attainment of so called perfection. Fluidity is moving ahead. Evoloution is key to creation, everything and every ideology evolves, has to evolve. Our evoloution from neanderthal to homosapien and the after resurrection, may be angelman.

Yes, I am in synch with you on this one but when it comes to the following:

In surah teen, Allah said, that Laqd khalaqnal insana fi ahsan o taqveem, we created human in the best of shape. so it will remain for ever. we are the most beautiful creature, god may create.

No human has ever witnessed or seen the "True GOD" of our creations, IF it exists. How does one know then, that "Allah said" when the term applied is only conceptual/mythical at best to begin with?

I do not how and when was the first time, word allah was used. I would like know the real and literal meaning of allah, not the conceptual one.

I was unable find the literal meaning or origin or the language to which it belongs. I asked this question to one muslim scholar, he replied that, meaning or the origin is not specified, for the reason that it has to represent a supreme eternal being. Beacuse of our shortsightedness, we are and wont be able to comprehend the real meaning.

All you have to do is thoroughly research, study and analyse the abundance of relevant information on the Internet via googling by searching various phrases such as "concept of God", "Allah", "Allat", "kaba" and so forth.

Besides, the word "Allah" is an Arabic word phased in from other languages such as Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, etc., where similarities exist.

[Danish]

Originally posted by accountability:
In surah teen, Allah said, that Laqd khalaqnal insana fi ahsan o taqveem, we created human in the best of shape. so it will remain for ever. we are the most beautiful creature, god may create.

Don't forget that there are other most beautiful, much talented and more powerful creatures than humans that exist as well whom we, as humans, have very little knowledge of. There are essentially two grounds on earth in which all living creatures live; land and sea. Humans cannot empower living freely under sea and vice versa, besides the amphibious ones. Hence, humans cannot be 'most beautiful and powerful' in that respect. ALL creatures on earth have their own anatonomical systems and ways of lives in which they live and its only other creatures that distinguishes and amazes humans in its most intrinsic and enchanting ways.

[accountability]

Danish: I tried even broader search. I could not find the literal meaning. May be it was adopted in arabic from hebrew or aramic. There is no authentic source, which could provide some answer to this.

If you know it, please enlighten me.

I quoted quranic verse keeping in mind, we are discussing in the background islamic theology.

Well, the God, allah bhagwan are philosophically speaking are, conceptual terms. which do not bear any resemblance to any existing being.

Due to interfaith delicacies, the mythology and historical background of such terms cannot be discussed here.
The first divine message brough to Prophet by angel gabriel did not contain the word allah. It read, Iqra be isme rabbaq al lazi. which would translate, read in the name of the lord of the people.

though it is true, that no one has even seen or witnessed allah, but proponents of inteligent design point towards the creation of universe, thus giving him the status of supreme being. above and beyond any comprehension.

Till now, science is not able to find the exact cause of creation. It is also alluding, what was before the begining. there is no answer to that.

I do not see in near future, that we would be able to solve this myth. it is beyon our imagination to think, what was before begining.

[anajmi]

Allah is a combination of two words. "Al" and "Ilah". "The" and "God" "The God".

[anajmi]

accty,

Well, the God, allah bhagwan are philosophically speaking are, conceptual terms. which do not bear any resemblance to any existing being.

Now you are pulling stuff out of your...hmm... out of thin air. How many times do I have to tell you, don't speak that which you know nothing of. You have now denied the existence of Allah. What better description of a kafir than that, my companion?

[Africawala0000]

Potty Mouth

Similar to what Jesus Christ was made in America in whose name the Americans have wreaked havoc across the globe.

On another thread, incest, you said, Bush freed 50 millions from tyranny. So did Bush free people from tyranny Or did he create havoc. Which one is it. And please leave Jesus Christ A.S. out of this. He is the Prophet of Muslims too.

[anajmi]

African,

It was a clue to how smart you are.

[accountability]

Anajmi: Please do not interfere in philosphical debate.

you know nothing about nothing. except the translation.

Ok find any resemblence for allah, god and bhagwan to any existing being. if you can't, then dont interfere.

If you go through the post, I proved the existence of allah the supreme being.

If I could go through you, let me explain, an existing being needs space, and time. Allah is beyond it. if he needed space and time, then it would be a finite existence. if you had gone through the calculas, in its equation
delta tends to infinity (i dont know how to write this in mathematical terms on computer). Infinity is beyond existence.

Now if you could not understand this, please dont bore me.

[accountability]

Allah is a combination of two words. "Al" and "Ilah". "The" and "God" "The God".

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Prove it, or is it your invention.

[anajmi]

accty,

Don't talk like an idiot. Oops sorry, I forgot that you are. Anyway, I don't need to prove jack shit to you. Take it or leave it. Here's a clue, go talk to someone who knows quranic arabic.

And make up your mind. Is it a philosophical debate or is it a mathematical debate? Should you pray or shouldn't you? Should you fast or shouldn't you. Does Allah exist or doesn't he? Is he mathematical or philosophical? Is He harsh or is He an obedient slave?

By the way since you are so smart, do you know the difference between conceptual and infinite?

And if I bore you, you should stop reading my posts. However I will keep replying to your stupidity.

[shabir]

anajmi

accountant is more knowledgable than you and he writes clear phylosophy.The way you insult him appears that you are jealous of him and his knowledge.

[Danish]

[quote]Originally posted by Average Bohra:
Allah is a convenient and mythical creation of Man to absolve itself of all accountability for its own actions. It is a “whipping boyâ€

[Average Bohra]

It is my personal belief that the “Allah of the Quranâ€

[JC]

I totally agree with Average Bohra.

[Danish]

[quote]Originally posted by Average Bohra:
It is my personal belief that the “Allah of the Quranâ€

[Average Bohra]

If I understand your question correctly and as stated previously the latter is being harnessed by the former. This need arises because they are not one and the same. If they were the same, there wouldn't be a need for one to exploit the other, now would it ?

[Average Bohra]

"Everybody's just waiting to hear from the one
Who can give them the answers
And lead them back to that place in the warmth of the sun
Where sweet childhood still dances
Who'll come along
And hold out that strong and gentle father's hand?
Long ago I heard someone say something 'bout Everyman

Waiting here for Everyman--
Make it on your own if you think you can
If you see somewhere to go I understand

I'm not trying to tell you that I've seen the plan
Turn and walk away if you think I am--
But don't think too badly of one who's left holding sand
He's just another dreamer, dreaming 'bout Everyman"

[Average Bohra]

~ Jackson Browne

[Danish]

Originally posted by Average Bohra:
If I understand your question correctly and as stated previously the latter is being harnessed by the former. This need arises because they are not one and the same. If they were the same, there wouldn't be a need for one to exploit the other, now would it ?

Good deal, I'll take your expressions as acknowledged. Speaking of Clyde Jackson Browne, no doubt, his lyrics are awesome, touching and adorable.

Take care.