khuda ni marzi

[seeker110]

when prayers dont get answered we say khuda ni marzi.That means whatever happens is happening due to His divine plan.Who gave us the right to interfere in the ongoing process.Why cant we just do the best we can and see the result of our preparations and bringing the task to completion.
I remember praying for good grades in the subjects that I was weak in.The results didnt change because I prayed hard or someone on my behalf did.Lets just say your prayers cannot make somebody stupid a real smart person.
If any one thinks that Moula can pray for you and his prayers will be answered,then you should ask moula to just pray and wipeout this reform movement.Let me make it easier for all you sheeps pray that I who is against this family perish because Moula prayed.However if I am still around next week than I will have proved it to you that Moula is nothing but a snakeoil salesman.By the way dont tell him about me he already knows who I am,right.
This here is a guy who has been sick for many years and wants everybody to pray for him,so he cant even do a thing for himself yet he claims to doing dua for all the sheeps.
Dua is nothing but wishful thinking.You will get whats coming to you.Dont waste your time,unless its khuda ni marzi.

[abde sayedna]

dear seeker u must not be knowing this but many a times we mumin r saved from many bad unforseen situation due to dua mubarak of moula but we dont come to know this as we lack that spritual eyes to see it so dear praayers of moula does count

[abde sayedna]

Dua is nothing but wishful thinking.You will get whats coming to you.Dont waste your time,unless its khuda ni marzi.
dont u know the famous rivayat of imam hussain who gave 7 children to arabi with his prayers to allah if u dont know tell me i wll make u know

[like_minded]

I fully agree with you..

Prayers act as consolation to an insecured individual..

Most bohras would spend good 15-20 minutes in sajda after namaz on their masallas, weeping and asking for favours.. without realizing that all they've wanted is already given to them by creation itself!! but their greed for more.. would simply not allow them to give up this act.

Worst is, when they utter "Moula ni dua si" .. like as if.. if there is no "moula ni dua" something bad would happen!!! ridiculous!!! to say the least.

Most Bohras would see moula's photo before stepping out of their house.. why?? because that would shun any chances of untoward incident, and would get them back home in one piece... They do not realize that life is unpredictable.. they are just not ready to accept this fact.. and hence there is fear.. which is only a thought... if one simply accepts this fact with awareness and consciousness, then tell me, where is fear??

Once this fear is understood, I am sure one would simply take life as it comes.. just co-exist..

[like_minded]

abde syedna (bonded slave of burhan)

If your bhagwan's dua is so powerful...pls ask him to pray for the world.. there are many people dying of poverty, accidents, violence etc.. pls ask him to save the entire human race... can he do it??? or is he selfish enough to do it only for people who offer him fat salaams?

[abde sayedna]

i already answed u n u r again ashing the question
a abt poverty n other problems it is the cycle which will go on till qayamat a all sorows r production of bad deed of human being n that why moula is here to ave us from bad deeds n then resulting sorrows

[abde sayedna]

i already answed u n u r again ashing the question
a abt poverty n other problems it is the cycle which will go on till qayamat a all sorows r production of bad deed of human being n that why moula is here to ave us from bad deeds n then resulting sorrows

[Hussain_KSA]

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
dear seeker u must not be knowing this but many a times we mumin r saved from many bad unforseen situation due to dua mubarak of moula but we dont come to know this as we lack that spritual eyes to see it so dear praayers of moula does count

I feel sorry for these peoples. A person who can not go to attend a natural call on himself how come he will take the other peoples to paradise holding their hands. It is high time that he should repent on his deeds and pray for the forgiveness of God.

[like_minded]

i already answed u n u r again ashing the question
a abt poverty n other problems it is the cycle which will go on till qayamat a all sorows r production of bad deed of human being n that why moula is here to ave us from bad deeds n then resulting sorrows

Abde syedna (bonded slave of burhan)

Moula is here to make things worse.. He is like a parasite who'd suck you to death.

[abde sayedna]

AS U WISH LIKE MINDED NOW I CANT ANSWER THOSE QUESTION WHICH HAS NO MEANING N ARE JUST PERSONAL ABUSE AND WHICH HAS JUST COMR OUT OF JEALOUSY AND NO OTHER GREAT RESON

[like_minded]

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
AS U WISH LIKE MINDED NOW I CANT ANSWER THOSE QUESTION WHICH HAS NO MEANING N ARE JUST PERSONAL ABUSE AND WHICH HAS JUST COMR OUT OF JEALOUSY AND NO OTHER GREAT RESON

There are some questions which no one can answer.. not even your moula.. questions pertaining to life, creation, creator.. will always remain a mystery.. let this mystery unfold gradually.. if you look for answers outside, rest assured you will never get them.. instead explore your inner self... this will help you accept and surrender to the present.. which is life itself.

[like_minded]

Jealousy??????????

What makes you think I am jealous? and that too of your bhagwan?? Are you jealous of Yazeed? Adolf Hitler? George Bush??

Come up with an answer only if it makes sense.. pls refrain from childish posts.

[SBM]

Abde Sydena
If everything can happen with Moula ni Dua se
then why does he have to go to Germany to get a BOOSTER SHOT for his health, why does he asks for money to build Rozas. All he has to do is do DUA and everything will be WALLA done.

[abde sayedna]

THERE S A DIFFERENCE OVER HERE YAZID HE IS FINISH N TOO HIS DYNASTY HITLER SAME AS YAZID GERGE BUSH GOING TO RETIERE SO THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BE JEOULOUS ABT THEM

BUT IN CASE OF OUR MOULA UR JEOLOUS BECAUSE OF OUR MOULA S ACHIEVEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY THEN OUR LOVE FOR MOULA THEN RESPECT THAT OUR COMMUNITY GETS FROM OUTSIDE WORLD BCZ OF MOULAS DUA N THHE BIGGEST NO ONE ENTERTAIN UR VIEWS UR THOUGHT N ALL HAVE THROWN U AWAY FROM THERE LIFE BCZ OF MOULAS MOHABBAT N ALLAH HAS ALSO MADE U REFORMIST ROADPATI BCZ OF UR ADAWAT WITH MOULA N THAT U ALL HAVE ACHIEVE NOTHING SINCE UR MOVEMENT STARTED INFACT U ALL HAVE GONE BACKWARD N BACKWARD ONLY
NOW U UNDERSTAND WHY R U JEOLUS OF OUR MOULA

[abde sayedna]

IF HE DOES THAT THEN WHEN WE ALL MUMINI N WILL GET CHANCE TO EARN HASANAT N INCASE OF MEDICAL TREATMENT THE JOOURENEY DONE BY MOULA N OTHER DUTIES PERFORMED FOR DAWAT R PROOF THAT THIS MEDICAL TREATMENT IS JUST WORDLY AFFAIR IT IS THE KUWAT PROVIDED BY IMAM UZ ZAMAN N PANJAT TO DO KHIDMAT OF THEM N U WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THIS N WILL JUST MAKE COMENT BUT NEVER THINK ON THE MATTER

[Al Zulfiqar]

himaare syedna,

stop writing in capital letters. that is like yelling and bad manners. also stop posting each of yr posts twice, either u are stupid or think that repeating a lie will make it come true?

as for the achievements of yr syedna, pls show how many educational institutions he has established, how many universities, how many colleges, how many orphanages and how many homes for poor bohras and widows...

also while u are gathering all this info, pls also give us the number of innocent animals he has killed, how many planes he has chartered for himself and his family in the last 50 years and who paid for it, where is his mothers grave and why he keeps quiet about her urus and does not mention her?

also how many interest bearing accounts he and his family has in banks worldwide? how many shares in indian companies, the worth of all the properties his father and him have taken by force all over the world etc. please also provide statistics on how many ziyafats he has attended in his lifetime, the salaams he got and where and when in the world did he ever give even 1 cent to a sad and destitute bohra from his own pocket?

when u have all this info, then come back for some more whiplashes here.. ya himaar.

[seeker110]

Abde, ever hear not to trust a skinny cook.If you didnt before know you did.Lets take it a notch up.How can a sick person dispence Phook nu Pani.If his germ ladden phook touches the pani people will get sick.Lets do away with this garbage,until we see Moula and his kids run a couple of miles.Why does he get sick if he just take the pani and get better.
People alway throwin the faith and belief factor,this is only there if the bet goes negative.Nothing in religion is proof positive.Great business if you are lazy and stupid for a sucker is born every minute.

[abde sayedna]

see dear all these a matter of sprituality n faith so u will not understaand

the all round development in the community proves the contribution of sayedna

n it is not nessary foe sayedna to provide financial help , moula s dua is some time more than enough

for eg u that 20 30 yrs back there fewer muminin with enormous wealth but now u see the percentage has gone very high so n many have become crorepati to
so it proves that its just not money but dua to work

[abde sayedna]

u all must be knowing mr dahodwala who gave 52 crore in safiee haspital i will tel u how he earned it
he made a barcoding software a wanted sell for some little amt so he did arazz in moula but moula denied the he did arazz for 2 3 times but reply was same he too was wondering what in this than suddenly the demand for that software increased n with razaa of moula he sold the software n i dont know how much amt he n today also he is recieving so much in royalty

this all was said by him in ashara mudarak
that faith prompted him to araaz such huge amt

[Aarif]

u all must be knowing mr dahodwala who gave 52 crore in safiee haspital

Dear A(s)S,

If you will give me 52 crore Rs. I will personally escort you to jannat unlike syedna. Satisfaction guaranteed

[mburhan]

abde sayedna:

posting your myths about Dahodwalla's donation on numerous other posts and missives on this site do not make it a truth. You appear to believe in the adage that "if one flings so much sh,,t on a wall, some of it will definitely stick.... but it still remain sh..t"

[Al Zulfiqar]

sab de de syedna,

why are u repeatedly posting that story about the dohadwala giving lakhs to yr greedy dai..?

do u think that by reading it we will be brainwashed and also start giving lakhs to him? then u are begging at the wrong forum!! the reformists are already struggling to fight the tyrant with limited resources. what makes u think anyone in his right mind here will give even one penny to an extortionist?

[Above Average Bohra]

for eg u that 20 30 yrs back there fewer muminin with enormous wealth but now u see the percentage has gone very high so n many have become crorepati to
so it proves that its just not money but dua to work

That is the kind of logic that the best scientific or logical or mathematical or rational minds on earth can't argue against except fret and fume. I am with you all the way abde!!

[Above Average Bohra]

abde,

One question about the barcoding software. I am still trying to figure out from your post if he got the razaa before or after the increase in the sale of the software?

[ponga bhori]

Originally posted by seeker110:
when prayers dont get answered we say khuda ni marzi.............................................................................. Dua is nothing but wishful thinking.You will get whats coming to you.Dont waste your time,unless its khuda ni marzi.

A Difficult Judgment

In a small town in India , a person decided to open up a Bar, which was right opposite to a Temple. The Temple & its congregation started a campaign to block the Bar from opening with petitions and prayed daily against his business.

Work progressed.... However, when it was almost complete and was about to open a few days later, a strong lightning struck the Bar and it was burnt to the ground.

The temple folks were rather smug in their outlook after that, till the Bar owner sued the Temple authorities on the grounds that the Temple through its congregation & prayers was ultimately responsible for the ill fate of his dream project, either through direct or indirect actions or means.

In its reply to the court, the temple vehemently denied all responsibility or any connection that their prayers were reasons to the bar's burning down. As the case made its way into court, the judge looked over the paperwork at the hearing and commented:

"I don't know how I'm going to decide this case, but it appears from the paperwork, we have a bar owner who believes in the power of prayer and we have an entire temple and its devotees that doesn't."

[Above Average Bohra]

Did this actually happen or is this simply a story that got told by someone to prove his own point of view? Filing a lawsuit and getting it acted upon by anyone in India is a nightmare. Suing Temple authorities would be even worse. An idiotic lawsuit like this one would be thrown out in an instance.

Temple authorities in India normally don't pray to get their problems resolved. The write a letter to the saffron brigade.

[Danish]

Originally posted by seeker110:
Dua is nothing but wishful thinking.You will get whats coming to you.Dont waste your time,unless its khuda ni marzi.

Yeah, people senselessly pray to their Allah 24/7 who got figured out to be THE ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL and ALL SEEING. But alas! HE seems totally deaf, dumb and blind. Completely hapless in total disaster. I guess the demons crushed HIM to death 1500 years ago and left only HIS shadows locked up neatly in a stone box covered in black burka without any traces whatsoever for zombies to take care of HIM and to throw stones at the demons who did that. And better yet, these followers command HIM back in reciprocation 24/7 to get even with HIM and continue to exaltat, revere and invoke HIM for HIS greatness and mercifulness which HE had acquired after long sufferings and tiresome massacres in utter remembrance. This is the height of hypocricy, embarassment and mental disorder in Islam and they want the world to know and submit to THE BEST ever produced by brainless zombies.

[Above Average Bohra]

waaa waaaaaaa mummy he is getting personal again waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa he called me a brainless zombie waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa.

[seeker110]

Moula seems to giving out dua every time he is taking money.So how does it work.He gets up in the morning and opens his tejori and takes out a few bundles of dua,returns at night and opens another tejori and puts all the proceeds of the sales from Dua.
I think the exchage should be $ for$.He gives us dua and in return we give him dua.How about he gives us money and we give him dua.It was right for him to do,why cant we do the same.
As far as Abde connecting Moula,parda imam and panjatan pak,sounds like a jewish guy buying a coat.He knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who can get it cheap.Please Abde dont insult others,they all lived humbly and honestly.
Whereas moula has been greedy to the core.
Moulas dua works like majic.He converts dua(out of thin air) into $$$.

[abde sayedna]

One question about the barcoding software. I am still trying to figure out from your post if he got the razaa before or after the increase in the sale of the software?
it was the razaa of moula that stop him from selling the software but when finally the demand when up he again took raza n then sold it