After Burhan, what will happen

[JC]

Hi Guys

We all very well know the hard, proven and established fact that Burhan, his family and his henchmen namley Kothar are the Thugs and Thieves. They are there to loot and plunder, they are for lust, power and money. They have nothing do with any religion whatsoever.

Also, ordinary bohras are fast asleep or are enjoying, for whatever reasons, the membership of this cult. They donot want to wake up and act. Everyone must have his/her reasons for continously be part of this cult and keep paying.

Lets move on - lets analyze the post-Burhan scenarios. I would love to hear from all, what do people think will happen once, and very soon, Burhan passes away. Will there be change? will there be a revolt? will there be factions and current community will be divided? will this cult continue after Burhan? WHO WILL BE 53rd DAI?? Will the run-away Imam appear? (what do u all think about Imam in general - to me there is NO IMAM at all, had there be one, he would not be this coward. If there was one, he and his family has been totally eliminated).

Lets concentrate of future as looking at past is not helping and present state of community affairs are pathetic.

[SBM]

How can he pass away with all those DUAS of TA QAYAMAT GHANOO JEWOO and the the recurring shot(injection) and cloning in Germany, he will live forever

[seeker110]

I am so happy that he is alive with the quality of life he is enjoying.Imagine at his age his body is shot to hell, he probably wishes he was dead ,the aches and pain to go through every living moment and not be able to enjoy everyday life.He probably hates the never changing tunes of his life.His system would not be able to function as it did when he had a younger body.Most people like their life to end by the time they stop enjoying healthy purposeful life.He is being carted around so that his kids can have the same of what he is going through.I say let him live long and suffer more,for all he has done to thousands of people.I like him to be like another Sharon,and same for his kids.I will be happy for them to pay back by suffering for a long time.
I learned one thing in the Armed Forces,an injured soldier takes up resouces of ten dead soldiers.Please live long and suffer.

[like_minded]

Brother Jc,

After Burhan, there is going to be a change for worse, as the incumbent ruler will take over the reins more aggresively and dictate administration with the help of modern methods. The modern methods here implies all state-of-the-art techniques to suck up the remaining wealth that may generate in the present and future generation of followers. Then ofcourse the madness of being a part of all gatherings that the hierarchy organize which will be lead by the 53rd dai will become more severe and the shaping up of this cult should be extraordinarily amazing. The cooked up story about Imam will extrapolate into fantasies which will find mention in global news.

[Gulf]

No need to worries

Allaho Aalam (God knows everything) who are we to worry ??

[like_minded]

Originally posted by Gulf:
No need to worries

Allaho Aalam (God knows everything) who are we to worry ??

I hope Moula realizes that there is God above him, to whom he is answerable!!

[Gulf]

Yes,
and you too realize the same.

[JC]

Thank you guys for the replies.

I tend to like Seeker110 reply - yes, may be he should live, live, live longer ta qayamat and suffer and suffer and suffer as he has made millions suffer. Yes, let him wish he was dead and death will not come. Let his kids USE him for their own benefits, for their own lust for power and money and God knows what.

Gulf

Remember Alexandar the Great, Nepoleon, Akbar-e-Azam, Mighty USSR, Khelafat-e-Usmania ....
Even remember Adam, Musa, Essa, Mohammad, Hussain ..... Islamic Kingdom...

Nothing, nothing lives for ever!!!

Bro Like-Minded

You may be right - the 53rd one would be for sure more despot and dictator and Yazid and Shaytan. But to me, there will be dissent too, there will be divisions, there will be differences in power-sharing among the Bulldog Shahzada and Piggy Shahzadees!!! I am sure of that - and that is one of the reasons they are keeping Burhan alive, had they agreed on some power-sharing, they would have made one more huge Roza of Burhan. Burhan is their Majboree now. Also, to me, the 53rd Thug/Thief will not have that clout over ordinary sheep as Burhan has. You know, sheep know the master and with the passage of time, they become increasingly attached - for the new master, it will be a matter of time, and that time will also be used for knowledge and learning and observing. Ordinary sheep and their offspring will see and note what is going on and at what scale - and to me, and I pray, their will be lessons learned. I hope!!

[Zeal]

In the game of cards,

after 52nd card , its always a Joker!

[seeker110]

What will happen after his death would be speculation and wishful thinking.What we need to do is to expose the corrupt ways of the kothar.I like the journalistic capabilities (hound-dog)of Accounty.His findings would better serve in form of pamphlets to the believers.How about an E-mail campain.
All the discussions dont get us to the destination.There has to be a thinktank and a group to exploit the weaker sheeps.I personally would like to supply arms to the various shehzadas looking to get on the throne.Easier for us if they whack eachother off.
Allah will only help if we get off the computor and sow some some seeds of doubts. Something of wahabi insuegent like Muslim First.How successful he is with Anajimi.
One thing a have learned in life is that most disgruntled people like Anajmi soon find faults in their new belief.They will always stay aroud,the pasture just looks to greener,but only for a short time.

[Muslim First]

Br. Seeker 110

Something of wahabi insuegent like Muslim First.How successful he is with Anajimi.

Thank you for kind words. You could have avoided Wahabi tag. I am believer in Islam and practicing it as taught by Prphet SAW.

All Muslim follow taqleed like 4 sunni Imams or Jafary fiqh or Bohras following Burhanuddin.

When you read Qur'an and Sunnah you can ascertain truth by yourself.

So read and figure out what is best for you. Do justice to your name 'Seeker'

Go seek truth.

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

Br. seeker

Just think. If you had become plain Muslim then nobody would be extorting money from you. You do not have to pledge to anybody except to Allah, his Book and His Rasool.

You can go to any mosque and you do not need Raza to do anything.

Wasalaam
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[Anwar]

we have lots of differences with kothar and Burhanuddin, but I thnk we should refrain from such komments and wishes.
Let Allah take his account.
My quess is, now that there is so much money all the kothari gundas will want it. They have had a taste of money and also know how to milk the gullible bohris,by charges them fees for all they do, and want to do. (raza for whatever they do) and ofcourse not forgetting the promises (visas)for going to heaven.

[like_minded]

One has to understand why Kothar is exploiting the common Bohras.

It is because majority bohras are greed and fear ridden, They lack the confidence which is required to sustain, So, even after Burhan, this cult is going to exist, infact it is going to grow stronger even if there is a split in the hierarchy.

After Burhan, his successor will take his position and continue to exploit the gullible sheep, Unless ofcourse the blind-followers start THINKING for a change, which is very unlikely.

[seeker110]

Br. MF I am sorry and I take it back.
Br Anwer I like your thinking that Allah will take care of us in the end.Just remember the palestinians are out of their lands for three generations.End doesnt seem to be near.
I dont think we can wait and hope that Allah will do whats right.If it was true then we wouldnt be in this situation in the first place.We got in it because we let it.So only we can get ourselves out of it.
Also somebody please send the verses of Iqbal to Br propig"ous rizk se mout achaye,Jis rizk se atee hoe parwaz mei kothari.

[like_minded]

I fully agree with you seeker, We are in this mess because of fear, greed, lack of understanding and belief.

I am sure if one tries to understand the true religion of humanity, the mental state of insecurity will automatically disappear, reform has to to happen within one ownself, this I believe is the only solution to the mess we are in at present. No God can save us except our ownself.

[truebohra]

Originally posted by like_minded:
I fully agree with you seeker, We are in this mess because of fear, greed, lack of understanding and belief.

Originally posted by like_minded:
Any kind of beliefs is for people who are confused and unstable, they want to cling to them to reverse the situation, but it never happens. This generates immense ideological and philosophical thought waves which results in deeper confusion and the stubbornness to monopolize there so called beliefs and enforce them on others to gain acceptability and patronage.

Originally posted by like_minded:
Dear anajmi,

Belief is a very flimsy concept, because it comes out of ones own projection of mind which can vary whereas what I practise the truth about consciousness and the understanding of the creator's inputs.

As a matter of fact hypocrisy is with you and since you are not able to understand my view point and explanations, in order to escape your lack of understanding it is easier for you to put the blame on me.

What belief ur talking abt LM??

[truebohra]

LM is confused poor chap

[like_minded]

Truebohra,

All I am trying to say is BELIEF (any kind) is hollow, It carries no weight whatsoever. Please refrain from silly posts, It makes no sense, besides it only exposes your ignorance.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by truebohra:
LM is confused poor chap

I was definitely confused as a kid, when my elders tried to enforce BELIEF, FOLLOWING etc etc into me.

Surely confused as kid when I saw the double-standards of Kothar, (not practising what was preached)

More confused as a kid, when I realised that MONEY was the only motive behind all the dramas performed by Kothar

Confused again, when I saw people losing their self-respect and being treated by Kothar like slaves.

Then as I grew up.... The picture was getting clearer and clearer, things which I could not understand and which led to confusion at a young age, was falling in place.

I realized as I grew up, that our community is full of people who have no self-respect, who are greed and fear ridden, who are supersticious, exploitative and who lack the sense of understanding.

Kothar very cleverly and ruthlessly is exploiting the situation to fill their pockets and gain more and more power.

There is absolutely no confusion now... things look pretty clear to me....

[anajmi]

lm,

All I am trying to say is BELIEF (any kind) is hollow, It carries no weight whatsoever.

That is simply your belief. I am sure you have no evidence to back that up. I can show you that without belief of any kind, your life would become un-live-able. Please refrain from throwing stuff out that makes no sense.

[S. Insaf]

I was just 11 years and schooling then at Khandwa (M.P.). The news came that Mazoon Saheb Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb was coming to Khandwa from Burhanpur; where he had gone for hunting and it was proudly announced in the Bohra mosque that he had successfully killed a huge tiger.
The Bohras of Khandwa and surrounding areas were called to welcome him. We all dressed up went to the mosque at 7 p.m. The mosque, its entire compound and gates were heavily illuminated. Hundreds of Bohras and even non-Bohras were gathered there. We all waited for hours. At around 2 a.m. Mazoon Saheb came there. Slogans were shouted, rose petals were thrown in such a number that the entire route was covered with flowers.
As the electric-load was unusually heavy, just when Mazoon Saheb was leading prayer inside the mosque the power went off. It was pitched dark. Women started making noise and children crying mostly due to long wait and hunger.
This was considered as an insult to Mazoon Saheb and one-eyed Amil of Khandwa came on mike and shouted “Bhaiyo aa shoo chhe? (Brothers! What is this?)
At that time I was playing mischief with my friend in the compound of mosque, in my innocent mood I replied loudly “Saheb Andhara ma kayee khabar nathi padti ke shoo chhe.” (Saheb! In darkness can’t know what this is). There was some relief and loud laughter all over on my innocent but mischievous reply.
Next day Amil called me along with my father to his residence and informed us that I had greatly hurt the feelings of Mazoon Saheb and asked my father to apologise.
I was confused. To my surprise the Amil and Mazoon Saheb had no sense of hummer.
However with whatever knowledge I had then I argued with the Amil.
I said I had heard in Sayedna Saheb’s vaiz that whenever Hazrat Ali used to get pieced with an arrow in any battle he used to advised his companions to pull it out when he was engaged in the prayer because then he got so engrossed that he felt no pain at all.
I said if Mazoon Saheb was engrossed in the prayer how can he be disturbed by outside noise. Does it mean he does not pray sincerely like maula Ali, or are you telling a lie?
Amil kept quite but still my father apologized to him with a salaam of Rs. 200.
As a youngster I was many times really confused of behavior of my leaders and elders.

[accountability]

"That is simply your belief. I am sure you have no evidence to back that up. I can show you that without belief of any kind, your life would become un-live-able. Please refrain from throwing stuff out that makes no sense. "

How did you come across, that Like minded has no evidence to back up.

I agree with like minded, that belief can not be substantiated. or can you?

[accountability]

Saifuddin bhai: I am trying to find out the functions of Dai ul mutlaq.

[S. Insaf]

Dear accountability,
What are you trying to find out. The prescribed functions of a Dai as per Imam's guide lines or functions of present Dai?

[accountability]

If you go through my post about dawate hadiyah trust uk, which is registered in UK. There was enactment of an ordinance, dawate hadiyah trust act 1993.

In it, it is described, that funds so raised by the charity shall only be spent to perform the functions of dai.

it was this context, i was trying to find out the officaial functions of dai, as per fatmid ismaili doctorine.

[Muslim First]

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Insaf Bhai

AS

Hooom, hunting story again.

Ismaili Imams and Dais must be fond of hunting. Read this story

While Imam Aga Hasan Ali Shah (swt) be out hunting, various types of animals would voluntarily come and lay down at His feet. He would then proceed to shoot them and thus freeing their souls so that they could go on to take higher forms of life.

very interesting

Wasalaam
.

[porus]

MF,

You did not completely read the quote. By 'taking higher form of life' is meant that they get to become Ismailis, either Aga Khani or Bohra, dependig upon who frees them. That is why the animals are so grateful and line up for being killed by the Aga Khan or Aqa Mawla. That is why they prostrate before them for being shot by these noble personalities.

Unfortunaely, no sooner they are born a Bohra or an Aga Khani, then they wish they would have been better off being animals!!

[anajmi]

accty,

Here is your problem, you believe in Allah, his book and his messenger and then you agree with all those who do not believe in Allah or who do not have any beliefs at all.

If beliefs cannot be substantiated then your belief that the husband of your mother is your father has no weight, unless you've asked your mother or father to provide evidence, which I am sure you haven't.

So if you agree with like minded, then unless you ask your parents to provide proof of their parenthood, you are as much of a believer in beliefs as anyone else.

As I said before to like minded, stop throwing stuff out that doesn't make any sense. In your case, I will make an exception, since you are incapable of throwing anything that would make any sense.

[seeker110]

What the bohras need is a hall,enough to accomodate one half the populas.Also to have some food and chair to sit on. A small stage to have speakers or sofa for shadi-barat.
The reason a say this is bohras dont have a place to go,you find them a place they will gather.I dont see very many religious activities going on in our mosques,its just a place where kothar gets people together to run with their agenda.There should be a charge (monthly fees) just to cover the rent and up keep.After that a naminal ammount for food cost.Lets say we get 15.00/family. give them that much ammountand type of food.Dal/khichri with one sweet(covered by the people who have faateha niyat.Slowly the well to do will pitch-in better.Now the sheep has a plce to go.All the rental from shadi,separa or just the ordinary get together to be used for 10 free jamans throughout the calender year.Leftover for scholarships and help for the momineen.
Give them a place to go.They will go away from kothar.Yeah the kitchen would be the place for catering business.
We need a bohra party hall.Kothar has used this formula and its time we put it to action and give better service.By the way no paid member or officer.Just perks(pirsu).