As Moharram approaches jamaats across the USA are in a "bidding" frenzy to have Burhanuddin and his entourage stake out in their city for the month of Moharram.
Part of the bidding includes planning for transportation, accommodation, food, etc -- But the greatest chance of winning Burhanuddin for ten days is the jamaat that can collectively give him the most CASH! That is why the local amils are trying to find out how much the wealthiest members of a local jamaat are willing to wager if their city wins this hoopla contest.
All of this bidding crap doesn't make any sense to me. Not only do we have to wine, dine, and accommodate Burhanuddin at our expense, but we also have to pay an exorbitant amount of salams. I feel sorry for the people that will be doing ziyafats. I have heard that Burhanuddin won't even set foot in your hose unless he's guaranteed at least $100,000.
Can someone tell me why should any of our communities bid in a deal like this? Is it worth spending millions of dollars on the Kothar entourage for a matter of ten days?
Last time I checked Mohramm is a time when we grieve for Imam Hussain and contemplate emotionally how great a role model he was and always will be for the Muslim community. Is the Kothar and it leader, Burhanuddin, doing this?
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each year our commumity spends tons of money on hosting muharram in one city or other. very exhibitionist and very extravagant. it is the mockery of the whole situation. Imam hussain and his companions did not lay down theri lives, that in future communities like us will beat their chest and bleed to death. maulana mohammed ali johar has very beautifully summed the martrydom of imam hussain.
qatle hussain asal mein marge yazid hai
islam zinda hota hai har karbala kay baad
imam hussain was not ready to accept the dictatorship of banu ummaya, and yazid was going to impose his personal rule on people instead of rule of Allah. but here the case is opposite, our community and its leaders whole heartedly support every dictatorship in the world, we have never contributed to the cause of democracy anywhere in the world. syedna saheb has always prayed for dictators like zia ul haque, saddam hussain, rulers of emirates, and african dictators. whoever is ready to be sold, was bought for personal whim and ego. ulike imam hussain, rule of dictator was welcome on people, instead the rule of allah. a false notion, that one ansoo or one hand to your chest will take you to heaven, even if karmas are most evils. millions and crores of rupees and dollars could have been appropriately spent, on education, on alleviation of poverty, on healthcare for needy, so on and so forth.
qatle hussain asal mein marge yazid hai
islam zinda hota hai har karbala kay baad
imam hussain was not ready to accept the dictatorship of banu ummaya, and yazid was going to impose his personal rule on people instead of rule of Allah. but here the case is opposite, our community and its leaders whole heartedly support every dictatorship in the world, we have never contributed to the cause of democracy anywhere in the world. syedna saheb has always prayed for dictators like zia ul haque, saddam hussain, rulers of emirates, and african dictators. whoever is ready to be sold, was bought for personal whim and ego. ulike imam hussain, rule of dictator was welcome on people, instead the rule of allah. a false notion, that one ansoo or one hand to your chest will take you to heaven, even if karmas are most evils. millions and crores of rupees and dollars could have been appropriately spent, on education, on alleviation of poverty, on healthcare for needy, so on and so forth.
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when you say democracy what exactly do mean,in which country in the islamic world does democracy exist ,and by democracy do you mean democracy according to bush and blair or what.
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since the time of rasullah there has never been democracy in islam ,when rasullah sa was alive his word was law and during that it was punishable by death to question him and this continued even after him so why do want democracy now .just say the bottom line that you hate our moula and stop using excuses(latest one being democracy) and leave us bohras in peace and form your democratic jamaat and elect engineer or mh or insaaf
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Get alert!!
Mature is sabotagig this thread by diverting the main subject of TAMASH on Asura.
Mature is sabotagig this thread by diverting the main subject of TAMASH on Asura.
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Mature,
Your last post clearly demonstrates how stupid you are. How can you compare Burhanuddin and the Kothar regime to Prophet Muhammad SAW? That's like comparing a junkyard car to a Rolls Royce.
Our prophet is the best Islamic role model ever to walk this Earth. No individual in this world can compare or come even close to being as great an Islamic role model as he was.
Prophet Muhammad SAW forbade us from worshipping him during his lifetime and after he passed. That's why we are not even supposed to worship his grave or bow down to it. WHY, you may be wondering?
Throughout his life the Prophet SAW said he was no greater than any other human being. His level was equal to every other human. Scratch your head and think if your Burhanuddin upholds this ideal?
You say that the Prophet did not allow any questioning of his word. You are absolutely wrong on this one! Prophet did allow question, but to a certain extent. When he delivered revelations from Allah he asked people not to excessively question them because this was the world of Allah. Still he fielded questions from people and did his best on explaining to the public the word of Allah. The Quaran states this too. He certainly did not have people punished to death for asking questions. Kothar would punish you to death for questioning them.
Prophet SAW welcomed questioning and varying opinions for information he had not received in the form of a revelation. The Prophet's SAW Sahaba's (companions) were known for asking good questions. Hadiths also show that on several occasions after hearing another person's opinion or ideas the Prophet Muhammad accepted. Prophet welcomed questions from ALL people regardless of their RACE, GENDER, or ECONOMIC status. He loved to hear ideas from people that were better than his. Try pulling that off with the Kothar!
In conclusion, Mature, I suggest you speak the truth as required by a Muslim and avoid veering off the topic "Ashara Tamasha" to further exemplify your stupidity.
Your last post clearly demonstrates how stupid you are. How can you compare Burhanuddin and the Kothar regime to Prophet Muhammad SAW? That's like comparing a junkyard car to a Rolls Royce.
Our prophet is the best Islamic role model ever to walk this Earth. No individual in this world can compare or come even close to being as great an Islamic role model as he was.
Prophet Muhammad SAW forbade us from worshipping him during his lifetime and after he passed. That's why we are not even supposed to worship his grave or bow down to it. WHY, you may be wondering?
Throughout his life the Prophet SAW said he was no greater than any other human being. His level was equal to every other human. Scratch your head and think if your Burhanuddin upholds this ideal?
You say that the Prophet did not allow any questioning of his word. You are absolutely wrong on this one! Prophet did allow question, but to a certain extent. When he delivered revelations from Allah he asked people not to excessively question them because this was the world of Allah. Still he fielded questions from people and did his best on explaining to the public the word of Allah. The Quaran states this too. He certainly did not have people punished to death for asking questions. Kothar would punish you to death for questioning them.
Prophet SAW welcomed questioning and varying opinions for information he had not received in the form of a revelation. The Prophet's SAW Sahaba's (companions) were known for asking good questions. Hadiths also show that on several occasions after hearing another person's opinion or ideas the Prophet Muhammad accepted. Prophet welcomed questions from ALL people regardless of their RACE, GENDER, or ECONOMIC status. He loved to hear ideas from people that were better than his. Try pulling that off with the Kothar!
In conclusion, Mature, I suggest you speak the truth as required by a Muslim and avoid veering off the topic "Ashara Tamasha" to further exemplify your stupidity.
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Bushra! Bushra!
Strong rumours that Aqua Moula will spend 1427 Ashara (relatively new Lisan name for first 10 days of Moharrumul haraam) in Mombasa - Kenya.
1. A new and improved palace (mahal) is being re-built around "Jivanjee" Masjid and above Kaderbhoy alias Saifee Hall. A Pakistani architect is there to supervise and complete the job. The minimum contribution from each family towards the cost is one unit of $5000 US. The relatively old Qibla of the Masjid has been shifted/moved/rebuilt so as not to adulterate the sea-view from the palace.
2. Each well-to-do Bohra family in Mombasa has been ordered by Kothar to accomodate (full board and lodge less niyaaaz) in their abodes at least 15 guests visiting Mombasa for the purpose of listening to Aqau Moula during Ashara - obviously free of charge.
Previously the Bohras used to make excuses saying that they would be accomdating their unnamed out of town family members or relatives. So now they have to provide names and e-ID numbers of the purported out of town relatives and family members to the sycophant jamaat.
PS: However, Mr. Insaf reports to-day:
"Sayedna Saheb was in Khandala where today he was to perform mass nikah ceremony. But he had to rush back in Mumbai and last night addmitted in the Saifee Hospital on tenth floor. His condition is reported as stable."
May Allah keep Aqua Moula in good health.
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Bushra! Bushra!
Strong rumours that Aqua Moula will spend 1427 Ashara (relatively new Lisan name for first 10 days of Moharrumul haraam) in Mombasa - Kenya.
1. A new and improved palace (mahal) is being re-built around "Jivanjee" Masjid and above Kaderbhoy alias Saifee Hall. A Pakistani architect is there to supervise and complete the job. The minimum contribution from each family towards the cost is one unit of $5000 US. The relatively old Qibla of the Masjid has been shifted/moved/rebuilt so as not to adulterate the sea-view from the palace.
2. Each well-to-do Bohra family in Mombasa has been ordered by Kothar to accomodate (full board and lodge less niyaaaz) in their abodes at least 15 guests visiting Mombasa for the purpose of listening to Aqau Moula during Ashara - obviously free of charge.
Previously the Bohras used to make excuses saying that they would be accomdating their unnamed out of town family members or relatives. So now they have to provide names and e-ID numbers of the purported out of town relatives and family members to the sycophant jamaat.
PS: However, Mr. Insaf reports to-day:
"Sayedna Saheb was in Khandala where today he was to perform mass nikah ceremony. But he had to rush back in Mumbai and last night addmitted in the Saifee Hospital on tenth floor. His condition is reported as stable."
May Allah keep Aqua Moula in good health.
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Hello Sajjad
Every big occasion requires a big expense.
And for a true mumin hearing vaez of Aqa Maula is the best sharaf and savaab during the auspicious and holy days of Ashara Mubaraka.
You all have to admit , it is a huge gathering with a lot of prep work involved thus it will be expensive.
If mumins are falling head over heels to get sharaf of hosting Aqa Maula , what seems to be your problem.
If you dont want to be part of it , dont be.
Its as simple as that.
Every big occasion requires a big expense.
And for a true mumin hearing vaez of Aqa Maula is the best sharaf and savaab during the auspicious and holy days of Ashara Mubaraka.
You all have to admit , it is a huge gathering with a lot of prep work involved thus it will be expensive.
If mumins are falling head over heels to get sharaf of hosting Aqa Maula , what seems to be your problem.
If you dont want to be part of it , dont be.
Its as simple as that.
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hj,
The biggest expense is Aqa Maula.
Consider a commonly used economical alternative if indeed the objective were savaab.
1. The site for Ashara Mubaraka is announced well in advance so that mumin can make airline and hotel reservations early enough to get discounts. Much like the Super Bowl or the World Cup.
2. Less privileged mumin get an opportunity and have the time to apply for financial assistance for “best sharaf and savaabâ€
The biggest expense is Aqa Maula.
Consider a commonly used economical alternative if indeed the objective were savaab.
1. The site for Ashara Mubaraka is announced well in advance so that mumin can make airline and hotel reservations early enough to get discounts. Much like the Super Bowl or the World Cup.
2. Less privileged mumin get an opportunity and have the time to apply for financial assistance for “best sharaf and savaabâ€
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since you are reformists why dont mourn in your own way and leave us to do it in our way and quit giving us tips on how to budget,we do not need your advice on any matter at all
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hj1313
First of all there is no need to conduct Moharram the way Burhanuddin and his cronies have been doing for the last fifteen years. They have made Moharram into a period of celebration instead of a solemn 10 days.
For the past fifteen years Burhanuddin has been going all over the world to celebrate Moharram. The announcement of the city/country of where Burhanuddin travels to is usually made at the last minute and mumineen are asked to drop what they’re doing and flock over to where Burhanuddin is going. On these trips his main purpose is to accumulate more money and wealth than the country’s Bohras’s are willing to offer. That’s why the local mullas will constantly persuade us on contributing more salams. They will even go as far as to touch our emotional side so we give our “hearts outâ€
First of all there is no need to conduct Moharram the way Burhanuddin and his cronies have been doing for the last fifteen years. They have made Moharram into a period of celebration instead of a solemn 10 days.
For the past fifteen years Burhanuddin has been going all over the world to celebrate Moharram. The announcement of the city/country of where Burhanuddin travels to is usually made at the last minute and mumineen are asked to drop what they’re doing and flock over to where Burhanuddin is going. On these trips his main purpose is to accumulate more money and wealth than the country’s Bohras’s are willing to offer. That’s why the local mullas will constantly persuade us on contributing more salams. They will even go as far as to touch our emotional side so we give our “hearts outâ€
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you progs are most free to leave us no one i repeat no one will miss you, leave us with our moula and do what ever you want
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Hello IM mature M
You are asking us to leave you and your cohorts alone but you are the one who is visiting this site. We are free to discuss our affair on this web site, we are not on your Mumineen site. So why donot you listen to yourself and leave us alone. If you donot visit this site then you would not have to read about your Kothari corrupt friends.
HOW IMMATURE CAN YOU BE? Just like KOTHAR DO WHAT I TELL YOU NOT WHAT I PREACH
You are asking us to leave you and your cohorts alone but you are the one who is visiting this site. We are free to discuss our affair on this web site, we are not on your Mumineen site. So why donot you listen to yourself and leave us alone. If you donot visit this site then you would not have to read about your Kothari corrupt friends.
HOW IMMATURE CAN YOU BE? Just like KOTHAR DO WHAT I TELL YOU NOT WHAT I PREACH
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what happenned to your freedom of expression and democracy being preached by engineer and insaaf i guess when the shoe is in another foot you do not like ,
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"hj1313" - Its hj786 - my my u r one sorry SOB.
"First of all there is no need to conduct Moharram the way Burhanuddin and his cronies have been doing for the last fifteen years. They have made Moharram into a period of celebration instead of a solemn 10 days."
Why not ? Obviously you havent attended Syedna's Ashara to say this, if you have then maybe you didnt pay any attention.
"For the past fifteen years Burhanuddin has been going all over the world to celebrate Moharram. The announcement of the city/country of where Burhanuddin travels to is usually made at the last minute and mumineen are asked to drop what they’re doing and flock over to where Burhanuddin is going. "
Well if that was the case then no other place would have waez conducted , everybody would be "forced" to attend where Huzurala TUS is, which a dumb person like you also know is not true.
"On these trips his main purpose is to accumulate more money and wealth than the country’s Bohras’s are willing to offer. That’s why the local mullas will constantly persuade us on contributing more salams. They will even go as far as to touch our emotional side so we give our “hearts outâ€
"First of all there is no need to conduct Moharram the way Burhanuddin and his cronies have been doing for the last fifteen years. They have made Moharram into a period of celebration instead of a solemn 10 days."
Why not ? Obviously you havent attended Syedna's Ashara to say this, if you have then maybe you didnt pay any attention.
"For the past fifteen years Burhanuddin has been going all over the world to celebrate Moharram. The announcement of the city/country of where Burhanuddin travels to is usually made at the last minute and mumineen are asked to drop what they’re doing and flock over to where Burhanuddin is going. "
Well if that was the case then no other place would have waez conducted , everybody would be "forced" to attend where Huzurala TUS is, which a dumb person like you also know is not true.
"On these trips his main purpose is to accumulate more money and wealth than the country’s Bohras’s are willing to offer. That’s why the local mullas will constantly persuade us on contributing more salams. They will even go as far as to touch our emotional side so we give our “hearts outâ€
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hj007
I think you missed something at the very end.
I think you missed something at the very end.
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"After robbing the people for ten days of Moharram, Burhanuddin’s thirst for the money doesn’t end just here. Additional money making schemes take place such as wholesale misaq and wholesale nikah ceremonies. Once this is all done, Burhanuddin transfers the profits from the transactions conducted out of the country to avoid questioning from local authorities. This activity is known as money laundering and is something that is second nature to the Kothar. "
Misaq and Nikaah ceremonies are religious ceremonies just like any thing else.
There is a fee for them and yes there is a Salaam based on the rutba of the person conducting them.
"It is obvious to see that all these celebrations, khushi events and collection of money are un-Islamic but in Burhanuddin's dictionary everything is ok because all his innovations are created to suit his cult."
I think in this day and age we are one of the most Islamic communities following the Sharia of Rasul Allah and his Imams.
If you don't that is your opinion.
Misaq and Nikaah ceremonies are religious ceremonies just like any thing else.
There is a fee for them and yes there is a Salaam based on the rutba of the person conducting them.
"It is obvious to see that all these celebrations, khushi events and collection of money are un-Islamic but in Burhanuddin's dictionary everything is ok because all his innovations are created to suit his cult."
I think in this day and age we are one of the most Islamic communities following the Sharia of Rasul Allah and his Imams.
If you don't that is your opinion.
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So Eid-e-gadir-e-khum has passed and the Kothar presumbably has passed their customary deadline for Ashara announcement.
Now what?
Now what?
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Where is this f****** Ashara going to be??!!!
The same old drama, matam, payments, jaman and return home laughingly.
If old man dies soon, we all will get to see some REAL TAMASHA better than ASHARA .....
Add one more Matam slogan:
Burhan-ul-Hudda, Burhan-ul-Hudda ......
The same old drama, matam, payments, jaman and return home laughingly.
If old man dies soon, we all will get to see some REAL TAMASHA better than ASHARA .....
Add one more Matam slogan:
Burhan-ul-Hudda, Burhan-ul-Hudda ......
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jc i think u r not a shia guy the person u say ******* ashare is not a shia guy nor has love or respect for inaam husein and your pro dawoodi teach u that that kind of stuff.buy the way my beloved aqa maula will live thousand of year to come and he will perform ashara every year to come and we will do matam with aqa maula.
u know jc u r the dick head
u know jc u r the dick head
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This is a first...I wonder if the relay will be live or a re-run. It will be appreciated if someone can please post a translation of http://www.alvazarat.org .ASHARA MUBARAKA 1427 VENUE HAS BEEN DECLARED AS MUMBAI
Huzurala (TUS) will perform Ashara Mubaraka in Mumbai. All mumimeen mumenaat are instructed that no one should come to Mumbai. Waaz will be relayed.
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AB,
This is my translation of the message:
"With the best of salaams and best honor
To Amils in the lands of imaan (May Allah protect them and keep them in peace).
It is announced that Huzur-e-Ala (May Allah lengthen his life till day of Judgement) will preside over Ashara Mubaraka (1427 Hijri) in Mumbai.
One of the services required of you in this connection is that you inform all mumineen, muminaat and their children that no one comes to Mumbai.
Please inform them that the waez will be relayed.
Wassalaam"
This is my translation of the message:
"With the best of salaams and best honor
To Amils in the lands of imaan (May Allah protect them and keep them in peace).
It is announced that Huzur-e-Ala (May Allah lengthen his life till day of Judgement) will preside over Ashara Mubaraka (1427 Hijri) in Mumbai.
One of the services required of you in this connection is that you inform all mumineen, muminaat and their children that no one comes to Mumbai.
Please inform them that the waez will be relayed.
Wassalaam"
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Thanks Porus....
Obviously he is ill, and the secrecy behind it is suspect. I will be surprised if the "relay" is live with video, probably recorded and audio only.
Obviously he is ill, and the secrecy behind it is suspect. I will be surprised if the "relay" is live with video, probably recorded and audio only.
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Even if it is a recorded video, I don't expect the audience to overcome faith and resort to suspecting. Infact, even if one dares to be perceptive, it is actually difficult to tell between live and replay since the range of action, gestures and emotions in delivering a waaz is very narrow.
It is like watching the video of a hen delivering an egg. The sequence of things is exactly the same every day so you cannot tell if it is today's live relay or a recording of yesterday's egg laying. Ofcourse, I mean when the hen is same.
It is like watching the video of a hen delivering an egg. The sequence of things is exactly the same every day so you cannot tell if it is today's live relay or a recording of yesterday's egg laying. Ofcourse, I mean when the hen is same.
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Ofcourse, moomins can ignore the above post as my 'radical bias' against kothar.
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tahir,
To be fair to those delivering the waaz, you do not expect them to come up with new stories every year, do you?
To be fair to those delivering the waaz, you do not expect them to come up with new stories every year, do you?
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exactly ! that makes the task of identifying a replay from live more difficult.
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you progs seem to be more intrested in our moula tus this days then us bohras, if you do not believe in him why does it matter to you wether he does vaaz or not or for that matter whatever he does ,what should concern you is more about your moula engineer is he going to do ashara or not or will insaaf do it in his place if he is still in lebanon or was it syria and where will your vaaz be held and will it be relayed or not ,all this should be your concerns
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oh boy you mean to tell me that also the progs have ashara vaaz ,who does it please tell me because just the other day i was reading in another thread that they do not believe in imam hussein at all ,maybe insaaf will illuminate and reply with a lot of ilm that he has
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you ppl who do not belive in " Fatimah Dawat " and Dai' shoudn"t be bother about ashra and imman husain mattam, we have belive in our dai', he is our safiq bawa.. so just stop discuess about ashra