QURAAN KI FARYAD

[pardesi]

TAQON MAIN SAJAYA JATA HOON
AANKHON SE LAGAYA JATA HOON
TAWEEZ BANAYA JATA HOON
DHO DHO K PILAYA JATA HOON

JUZDA(N) HAREER-O-RESHAM KE
OR PHOOL SITARAY CHANDI KE
PHIR ITR KI BARISH HOTI HAI
KHUSHBOO MAY BASAYA JATA HOON

JIS TERHAN TOTA MAINA KO
KUCH BOL SIKHAI JATAI HAIN
IS TERHA PERHAYA JATA HOON
IS TERHA SIKHAYA JATA HOON

JAB QOL-O-QASAM LENE K LIYE
TAKRAR KI NOBAT AATI HAI
PHIR MERI ZAROORAT PERTI HAI
HAATHON PE UTHAYA JATA HOON

DIL SOZ SAY KHALI RAHTAY HAIN
ANKHEN HAIN K NAM HOTI HI NAHIN
KAHNAY KO MAIN IK IK JALSAY MAIN
PAR PAR KAY SUNAYA JATA HOON

NEKI PAY BADI KA GALBA HAI
SACHHAI SAY BARH KAR DHOKA HAI
IK BAR HANSAYA JATA HOON
SO BAR RULAYA JATA HOON

YE MUJH SE AQEEDAT K DAWE
QANOON PE RAZI GHERON K
YOON BHI MUJHE RUSWA KERTAI HAIN
AISE BHI SATAYA JATA HOON

KIS BAZM MAIN MERA ZIKER NAHIN
KIS URS ME MERI DHOOM NAHIN
PHIR BHI MAIN AKAILA REHTA HOON
MUJH SA KOI MAZLOOM NAHIN

WRITTEN BY MAHIR AL-QADRI

[anajmi]

Is this how the Ismaili treat their Hazar Imam (bolta quran)?

[pardesi]

Anajmi,

I do not see any mention of Hazar Imam in the poem nor was it written by any Ismaili. Actually it is written by a Sunni scholar for all I know. You know what that means?

And if you read it in todays perspective, imagine how true it is.

I think the message is loud and clear. This is what we muslims in general are doing, including me and you.

Point at one thing that the writer is wrong with.
You just can't take criticism, even if it comes from a fellow Ahle Sunnah. Sorry I forgot, you follow the Wahabbi school of abuse and torture.

I think the poetry is wonderful and touching. If Quran, the book, could speak that is exactly what it would tell Allah, wouldn't you agree?

[anajmi]

If Quran, the book, could speak

That is what I was referring to. Your Hazar Imam is the "bolta quran" right? And we have the bolta quran complaining right? So your Hazar Imam is complaining right? Hence the question that I originally asked.

Take it easy my friend. Don't boil your blood forcing yourself to deal with me. I don't abuse and torture. You are doing it to yourself.

[pardesi]

Actually Anajmi, I never lose my cool. You are trying to turn this into a confrontation. Instead if you read the poetry again and again and then again you would get the picture. Hazar Imam is a bolta Quran to me not you so you see the theory would not apply to you so you shouldn't even try to talk about it.

Now would you congratulate the poet for writing such a touching poem? You probably wouldn't because you feel exposed by this guy Al-Qadri.

Oh by the way my "Bolta Quran" would not be complaining to Allah because his followers respect him and listen to him and not only his followers but the world leaders respect and listens to him, except for a few like you.

So I request you please do not bring the Aga Khan into this and let others take part in this topic. Its not an argument about the Aga Khan here between you and me, rather we are talking about the Quran which you read like a parrot but do not act upon its teachings. If you were then you wouldn't be wasting your time arguing with me.

Go beat your wife, its time again. And while you are at it smack your little ones too. Thats tag along sawab, you know.

Come to think of it, would you please let your wife read this post, especially this last part about you beating her and the kids. I would love to know her reaction towards you - do let me know.

[porus]

Originally posted by Nobigotry:

Casting pearls before swine.....

[Nobigotry]

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

"holy unto the dogs" - how apt!

[Nobigotry]

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”.

Salaam brother Anajmi

[anajmi]

Hazar Imam is a bolta Quran to me not you

Correct, and you are the one quoting the poem about the complaining quran, not me. So you see, the theory applies to you like a glove (on your hand ofcourse).

[anajmi]

Besides, the quran has more to complain about the Ismailis than the other muslims. The Ismailis have actually replaced the quran with some "bolta quran" who hasn't been able to translate a single ayah of the original quran. His followers recite some ginans which are not ayahs of the quran. All other muslims respect the quran far more than any Ismaili does.

[Nobigotry]

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”.

Salaam brother Anajmi

[anajmi]

Salaam Brother Notbig,

You should stop casting pearls before swine. At least not the same pearl again and again!!

Now, the quran is a pearl that Allah cast upon mankind. Here are some examples of real swine and the way they treat the quran.

People who say that the quran is not relevant today as it was for the 7th century Arabia - eg porus.

People who say that the quran cannot be understood anymore - eg porus.

People who say that according to the translations of the quran, God is a schizophrenic - eg porus.

People who, after reading and understanding the arabic of the quran, say that God is a figment of your imagination and cannot be experienced as he is not created - eg porus.

People who say that the quran needs to be interpreted according to the modern times - it needs to be realigned according to modern times - eg porus and the Ismailis.

People who say that the quran needs to be replaced by the bolta quran - the Ismailis.

People who say that the quran has been incorrectly assembled - the Ismailis.

[pardesi]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Besides, the quran has more to complain about the Ismailis than the other muslims. The Ismailis have actually replaced the quran with some "bolta quran" who hasn't been able to translate a single ayah of the original quran. His followers recite some ginans which are not ayahs of the quran. All other muslims respect the quran far more than any Ismaili does.

If the Quraan (with a capital Q, mind you) has complaints about the Ismailis then would you please produce someone's work here to back your allegations. As for translating the ayahs, I see you changed your rhetoric a little. Until now you were asking for interpretation now you have changed it to translation. Now why would the Aga Khan need to translate Quraan when there are so many available in the market? If you go back to asking for interpretation then I ask you AGAIN - is there any interpretation of Quraan that is attributed to the Holy Prophet? in writing?

Until you find his interpretation, why don't you try and refute the writer of the poem on this board, right here. I asked you the same question earlier if you agreed with what is in the poem. I would love to see you trying to prove the writer wrong.

You are doing exactly what Al-Qadri is saying in the poem about the muslims of today.

You also said that all other muslims respect Quraan more than Ismailis do. If that is true could you cite some examples of how they respect Quraan? By keeping it in a high place inside the house where no one can reach it and all it does is gather dust? Or they just protect it with their lives. Quraan never needed anyone's protection - Allah Himself has said He will protect it.

One last thing, did you let your wife read my post like I asked you to do or you just beat her up?

[Nobigotry]

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”.

Salaam brother Anajmi

Brother Pardesi - Ya Ali Madad!

"Discussion is an exchange of knowledge; argument is an exchange of ignorance" - heed the advice from the Quran that Anajmi does not want me to cast before him again and again.

[anajmi]

pardesi,

Please stop this stupidity. Do not bring my wife into each and everyone of your posts. My wife is a far more respectable person than any Ismaili woman, even better than the wives of your bolta quran. So let us just stick to the issues at hand. If forced I will bring every woman of your family in this discussion and you won't like it. My wife doesn't need to read Ismaili junk. She reads the real quran everyday.

is there any interpretation of Quraan that is attributed to the Holy Prophet? in writing?

Another Ismaili pearl of stupidity.

Now why would the Aga Khan need to translate Quraan when there are so many available in the market?

So does the Aga Khan agree with all the translations that are available in the market? If we were to go by his idiotic followers, the Aga Khan probably doesn't know his front from his back as far as religion is concerned.

I would love to see you trying to prove the writer wrong.

I don't want to prove the writer wrong because I think he is absolutely right. I even gave eg. which you were too stupid to read. Do you refute anything that I stated? Do Ismailis pray 5 times a day like other muslims who recite surahs from the quran in each rakat of these prayers? Are the Ismaili ginans from the quran? I am not sure what kind of muslims you live amongst, but the ones that I know read and practice the quran.

Now think about that when you get some time from thinking about other people's wives.

[anajmi]

Another Ismaili pearl of stupidity.

Maybe I should've said - Another pearl of Ismaili stupidity.

Like asking Shakespeare to translate Merchant of Venice.

[anajmi]

Salaam brother Notbig,

As I said, please stop casting your pearls before swine. Unless those pearls are useless.

[turbocanuck]

pardesi.......you are so ignorant. dont you know sunnni/wahhabi wives are good? very obedient. They cower on the mere hint of their Men's presence. They dont do anything else in life except read the Holy Quran and submit completely. They are handpicked to be illiterate, so the men are not academically threatened. They also hide all the scars and bruises from others. What do you think a burqa is for? they cater to every thuggee whims of their men. The husband can get aroused by other women and then rush home to hammer their womenfolk. Its all Halal. its prescribed for these retards. Should you want literary proof, i will absolutely inundate you with their crap. just ask. Here is a letter on a Canadian immigrant forum by a Canadian Woman living (now ex) near the Thorncliffeistan in Toronto. Her account of Muslim men is mind boggling. I have personally seen this. It is from the mindset of "non-believer, captive slave fair game to rape a kaffir" these are the Miyabhais of Toronto. (i dont know who let them into Canada) believe me. when i say i know the inside info, i mean it. these are the curse upon canada. absolutely no manners, kindness, compassion, etiquette (remind me to narrate a Miyabhai Idiots zeal to pray) no basic civility. Now they complain about Christmas!! GO BACK TO WHICHEVER GODFORSAKEN S**thole of EARTH YOU CAME FROM!! This is Canada. The Canadian Govt. is too nice. But wait the upheaval is near. here is Brenda's account:

Life in the Big Multicult Ugly
I recently fled Brampton, Ontario after living there for barely a year. The mass of Muslim immigrants in Brampton not only made me fear for my life (crime was rampant, including muggings, shootings, rapes, etc..) but also the fact that I am a blonde women made me a target for every horny East Indian in town. At the age of 35 you would think that a woman could walk the streets of Canada unmolested, but not when these people are concerned. I was cornered in every elevator, bus, mall, etc.. and given the hairy eyeball so many times I was afraid to leave my house! I was stalked through Fortinos, followed home on more than one occasion (with my son in his stroller) and approached in the streets by lascivious East Indians. One even hung out by the leg curl machine at the YWCA in Brampton, just to watch the White women do backwards leg curls. (It shows your butt muscles)

Why is our government letting these types into Canada? Did anyone ask Canadian women if we wanted to be sexually harassed? They treated me like a piece of big blonde meat wherever I went, and showed me absolutely no respect whatsoever. I can tell you I will never move back to Ontario. As an I.T. professional, I would rather take a pay cut and live out West than deal with those sexist son's of B's at work every day in Toronto. They have no respect for women and treated me like a dumb blonde sex object, even though I was their senior engineer at work and knew much more than they did and had several years more experience. I actually got shoved over by a Muslim man in Thorncliffe Park Ghetto because I wouldn't get out of his way! He actually hit a woman because I didn't cower and scamper out of his path! Do you think Canadian women should accept this? -- Brenda

So you see when told of an obedient Muslim woman BELIEVE IT!!!


meanwhile have you read my posting...somewhere on this board? here it is.

http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=9182&size

[anajmi]

Now what the turbooch comes up with are the real Ismaili pearls of wisdom.

It's like an everlasting unbreakable CD which keeps repeating the same song over and over again. The exact same pearl is cast before the swine every time.

Besides, I cannot imagine how much stuff turbooch has personally seen. He seems to be drawn to all the weird stuff. Ismailis seem to be perverts who are interested in other people's bedrooms. Maybe because they don't have their own, since their Hazar Imam keeps divorcing his wives.

[anajmi]

turbooch, you need to seek help from a psychiatrist. Looks like the childhood days of being a "ghilman" are haunting you. I will even pay for your first visit. I will even look up a doctor who doesn't have a wife so you won't have to worry about her.

[pardesi]

Brother Anajmi, I did not say anything bad about your wife. I only reminded you of the commandments of the Quraan, according to your understanding. I have complete respect for all women, not just muslims. If she felt offended, I apologize. Now did she really read my post? See the reason I insist is because I want her to see your hidden face. You keep her busy doing house chores and reading Quraan etc. to keep here from the real world, not to keep her pious.

I asked a legitimate question about the Prophet's interpretation since you keep asking for Ismaili interpretation of the Quraan. What is wrong with that? You called it Ismaili stupidity! Does that mean you couldn't find the Prophet's interpretation?

About Ismailis not praying 5 times. I agree we do not pray 5 times. We actually pray 3 times as commanded by Allah. We pray 18 rakah's compulsory - one may pray different other forms as extras like meditation, zikr, etc. Every rakah of our Salah starts with Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim followed by a surah of the Quraan. Aside from the salah, Quranic verses are also recited in the Jamatkhanas. Did you actually think we recite ginans for salaat?

I live amongst mostly sunni muslims who read and practice the same Quraan as any other muslim does. But I must say they are far better than you in their understanding of the religion. Now you think about that when you get some time from beating your wife and creating fitna on this board.

Also I still haven't heard any praise from you for the writer of the poem. Too much ego eh!
But atleast you admitted he was correct. Thats enough for me, coming out of your mouth.

I requested you earlier not to derail the discussion off the topic. Shall we discuss what is said in the poem? If you do not want to then please stay out and let others.

Thank you.

[anajmi]

salaam brother pardesi,

Let me cast some pearls before swine.

“Iza Khataba humul jahiloona qaloo salama”.

As I said, my wife prefers not to read Ismaili junk.

I asked a legitimate question about the Prophet's interpretation

I know it was a legitimate question, that is the reason why I classified it as Ismaili stupidity. So you agree that there is no translation/interpretation of the quran according to your fake Hazar Imam, correct?

We actually pray 3 times as commanded by Allah.

Can you please point out where Allah has commanded that you need to pray 3 times?

But I must say they are far better than you in their understanding of the religion.

That is good, then if in your posts, you are referring only to me and not to other muslims, then I will declare a victory. My aim was to show that the real Muslims are not what Ismailis portray them to be and you have just acknowledged that.

beating your wife

More Ismaili stupidity. How do you know I beat my wife? You don't. This is what fitna is. Ismailis are good at it. If I tell you that the Hazar Imam's wives divorced him because he was having extra marital sex with his butler, what would you say? And tell you what, I am going to repeat this in every thread. That is how fitna is created. You and your fellow Ismailis are the fitnatis over here.

And yes Al-Qadri is absolutely correct. The Ismailis are perfect examples.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
turbooch, you need to seek help from a psychiatrist. Looks like the childhood days of being a "ghilman" are haunting you. I will even pay for your first visit. I will even look up a doctor who doesn't have a wife so you won't have to worry about her.

Naah....Ghilman is only for Sunni/Wahhabi. You are a Sunni, so YOU are the Ghilman..remember the episode where you yourself narrated the nut cracking with your Butt? now if that isnt gay what is? Besides, you already are somebody's bitch on this forum who keeps on calling you Anju Darling.

(52:24) Allah promises to supply young diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens.

[anajmi]

turbooch,

That is probably the reason why the Hazar Imam divorced his wife. Diamond-sparkling beautiful boys all shaped like delicious turbooch.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:


As I said, my wife prefers not to read Ismaili junk.

can she read at all?? LALOL

[anajmi]

pardesi,

Your fellow Ismaili turbooch is demostrating how Ismailis respect women.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
turbooch,

That is probably the reason why the Hazar Imam divorced his wife. Diamond-sparkling beautiful boys all shaped like delicious turbooch.

Nope!! The Sunni Ghilmans are prescribed for the Wahhabitches only. Besides dont try breaking a Turbooch with your A**crack, your pedophile Moulvi may get dissapointed in your performance for him. he may accuse you of Adultery!!

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
pardesi,

Your fellow Ismaili turbooch is demostrating how Ismailis respect women.

What youre complaining on me now? how awful. looks like you are hurt.

[anajmi]

turbooch,

I am not complaining. I am just showing everybody the true Ismaili - a vile and despicable creature who only pretends to respect women.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
turbooch,

I am not complaining. I am just showing everybody the true Ismaili - a vile and despicable creature who only pretends to respect women.

Anusmi You are so right. You hit the woman right on the head!! oops. sorry .....nail. i meant to say hit the nail on the head.

Yeah Ismailis really batter their women in the name of Islam, a really despicable lot!! They follow the 4:34 to the Hilt!! They dont encourage education in their women. Look!! they cant even read or write!! yeah must be Ismailis.