DA VINCI CODE

[accountability]

In india, there are protests by muslims and christians alike against the screening of Dan Brown's Film DA VINCI CODE. Muslims are protesting alongwith christians against the blasphemy. Or is it blasphemy.

Very ironically muslims and christians just found out that they have same faith. Good, why was the crusade and jihad against each other. Or is it a fight for common intrest by respective clergy.

[Humsafar]

There have sporadic protests against the book/movie in some parts of the world, but Indian christians have upped the ante with a call to hunger strike. It seems to me that the zealousness of the (not so) new converts drives them to such frenzy.

The muslim support seems to be strategic, for when Islam is blasphemed tomorrow they can count on their christian 'brothers' for support.

Why should they protest? Because to challenge dogma is always seen as a threat by the orthodox. And poor Muslims and Christians (and now increasingly poor Hindus as well) have long been in the grip of orthodoxy. It’s for nothing Marx said: religion is the opium of the masses.

Read this Reuters story. The fellow says that it would be a sad day for secular India if the movie was screened. One would have thought that banning the movie would be a sad day for secularism.

[anajmi]

First - the DaVinci Code is fiction and not based on fact.

Second - no one should be allowed to blaspheme the religious beliefs of somebody as a part of fiction.

Third, I have read the book and will definitely go and watch the movie.

[anajmi]

If tommorrow I were to write a book claiming the protaganist to be a descendant of Krishna who converts to Islam in the end, and expect secular India to publish the book, and screen the movie, I should be thrown into a mental asylum.

[accountability]

well then holy blood and holy grail is not fiction. it tells the same story. Mary magdalene is not a fictitious character. even in catholicism, she is a revered character, despite her so called previous profession, and her love for jesus is well documented in church history.

The gospel of Judas (which is not the part of new testament) narrates a similar story. It has the martimonial description of jesus, even names his children. Gospel of Judas is not fiction, it was one of the authentic book in early christianity.

[anajmi]

Actually, Dan Brown does not claim it to be fact based. According to him, the book is pure fiction. You might want to take up that debate with him.

[accountability]

In the court in london, he admitted that his basic idea, is to an extent derived from holy blood and holy grail.

If you have read da vinci code, i would suggest, you read holy blood and holy grail. you will better understand the back ground of Brown's book.

One more thing, why is it so hard to challange the religious dogma. why can't we try to find the truth, as it was and as it is. If the truth shatters the basic dogma of any religion, let it be. It is good to have a religion based on facts, and free from false notions. Truth shall also help in elimination of prejudice and percieved animosity among other religions.

[anajmi]

The problem arises when people start believing in fiction to be the truth. You know where those people belong right?

[anajmi]

Besides, to me it doesn't matter if Jesus Christ was married or if he has descendents. It does not affect my religion one bit. Christianity however does get shaken.

One thing I do know though - Audrey Tautou is definitely not from his lineage. Or is she? What do you think?

[accountability]

I shall have to do some research on it .

[Humsafar]

Originally posted by anajmi:
The problem arises when people start believing in fiction to be the truth. You know where those people belong right?

Please name one religion which is not based on fiction.

[anajmi]

Islam - the Author does not say it is fiction - you do. Get the difference?

[tahir]

One must note that the states/UTs of India where the Christians comprise majority OR a significant chunk of the total population are blissfully calm over the Da Vinci bit. These are Nagaland (90%), Mizoram (87%), Meghalaya (70.3%) , Manipur (34%), Goa (29.86%), Andaman (21.7%), Kerala (19%), Arunachal Pradesh (18.7%) et al.

The voices of protests are a blip on the radar of the Indian christian map. Maharashtra and West Bengal, which are hogging the international limelight over the demonstrations have actually 1.12% and 0.56% of their total population following Christianity. A fusion of communal politics and minority insecurity complex is responsible for the fuss.

[accountability]

Islam - the Author does not say it is fiction - you do. Get the difference?
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But the part of christian belief is an integral part of Islam. That is Essa being the prophet, having been crucified, and his resurrection are all mentioned in Quran. So if basic christian belief becomes void, then part of Islam also becomes void. A religion can only be accepted in toto, it cannot be piecemeal fiction and piecemeal fact. Either it is fact or fiction.

Even in earthly courts if one part of witness becomes false, the whole witness is thrown out. That is and should be the fundamental of justice.

[Muslim]

That is Essa being the prophet, having been crucified, and his resurrection are all mentioned in Quran.

Actually the Quran says that Jesus was NOT crucified. Resurrection of Jesus is also NOT in the Quran since he is not believed to be crucified in the first place. These are fairly basic beliefs known to most Muslims.

[Muslim First]

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Status of Jesus in Islam
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[anajmi]

accountability,

I would suggest you go back and read the quran. Jesus Christ, according to the quran was never crucified and since he wasn't crucified, the question of resurrection does not arise at all.

[anajmi]

004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.

004.158
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
PICKTHAL: But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.
SHAKIR: Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[anajmi]

There is an interesting book by Ahmed Deedat called "Crucifixion or Crucifiction". You should read it.

[anajmi]

Go to this URL

http://www.sharif.org.uk and in the search box search for "crucifixion or crucifiction".

You should see a link to www.irf.net with the title "crucifixion or crucifiction". If you click on that link it will ask you to download the book. Then entire book is available as a word document.

[accountability]

having been crucified, and his resurrection are all mentioned in Quran.

I did not say that according to Quran he was crucified. I said "having been crucified" is mentioned in Quran. It is mentioned in Quran.
They slew him not, nor did they crucify him but it was made dubious to them. (Holy Qur'an, Surah Nisaa, Verse 157

(he or his image was on crcifix, in roman times, it was very common according to historian to crucify someone for days, and then descend them alive from crufix. basically crucifiction was not death penalty, it was severe kind of punishment for defiance.)

Regarding his resurrection,
We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world. Isn't this resurrection.

Quran says, that he was raised to heaven. If he was raised to heaven, and according to Judas gospel, he had fathered children. Isn't it contradictory.

[anajmi]

accty,

First raising up to heaven is termed Ascension not resurrection. You should look it up. Check these sites out.
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/ascension.html
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection

Second, what makes you think a muslim should give a damn about what Judas' gospel says?

[Muslim First]

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Why God Allowed Confusion About Crucifixion
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[accountability]

Anajmi, descenion will be resurrection. I said, he will be descended, and wage war against evil.

[anajmi]

And according to whose Gospel is descension = resurrection? Yours?

[accountability]

can you please define resurrection.

[anajmi]

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection

[accountability]

how will Essa's descension take place. will he descend in flesh and blood, or he will be a spirit. If he will descend in body, then it will be a resurrecction. From all ayahs, and belief, he has to descend in body, he has to fight infidels, and bring peace to the world.

Quran is silent on one thing. After defeating the evil, will Essa embrace islam, or will he bring his own faith home.

[anajmi]

accty,

Your comments are so full of ignorance that I have no idea where to start. I give up.

[accountability]

Anajmi: Again, try to find the truth.
TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.