mustafanalwalla wrote:Yes, because we have too much faith in him. Call if blind devotion if you may, call it brainwashing, call it what you want, but what does not change is that our faith in him is unshakeable
MN, I m surprised and to some extent shocked, to really understand your POV. Faith in Dai as unshakeable !! Faith in what ? I mean what is the content of your faith in Dai that is unshakeable !!
mustafanalwalla wrote: This is complete and utter nonsence. We have faith because we believe in Him.
You have faith as you believe in him, believe in what ?
mustafanalwalla wrote: An acceptable norm yes, but it is certainly not due to brainwashing but rather a systematic hammering of orders. Brainwashing implies a change in attitude too, which is not the case here, atleast not to anyone but our Dai
MN, I don’t expect such ignorance or lies from you atleast. There are pictures posted all over the internet, this forum and we see in our live life, bowing in degrading submission, knee/feet kissing to/of local amils, shehzada, grand shehzada or any “raza na saheb” .
mustafanalwalla wrote:Come out in the open and say it if it disturbs you so much. Dont hide behind fake names. Be man enough and say it in the open like i do
Oh MN ! do you mean displaying your name and identity with an apologetic defence to shield name of sayedna saheb and his mansoos mufaddal bhaisaab from being responsible for lack of justice against corruption in the community is your idea of coming out bravely in open.
First, I have objected openly to jamat members (Pune & Kuwait) to what I have believed to be wrong practice. Specifically (Hunting of Animals, Knee Kissing Local Amils, Accountability on sabeel, Ramadan/Muharram Hoob and other scheme collections). On this isolated cases of rebellion. My safai chitti was withdrawn, my father had to apologize, I was straightened up with warnings and I got yellow stains on my Safai Chitti.
You very well know, why members on this forum are using fake names, they fear violent invasion from senselss, blind followers, Who will resort to spineless terrorism to hammer down their blind beliefs with a gloating self pride of having served as soldier of sayedna saheb’s army by indulging in such attacks.
I m expressing my thoughts from a pseudo name, because I care for my family, what I express here is somewhere inside many abde youths or elders. They are just quiet in frustration or fear.
mustafanalwalla wrote:I honestly do not have an answer to the latter part of this statement. Maybe someone else can answer it
Your anwers to any issue which raises a doubt over leadership of sayedna saheb, is apologetic and confusing. You will agree to the event, but will conveniently shift the responsibility on something else.
mustafanalwalla wrote:Yes we do. If you have lost faith, then He is a nobody. But the day you recover it, even in a begger will you see God. I have been down the path of loosing my faith and rediscovering it once more
MN, I have not lost my faith in position of Dai. For me Dai is a learned man of high degree of human qualities of justice, knowledge, integrity and compassion. I believe in his guidance, I want to learn and be a good muslim and agree in good faith, trust and confidence over intentions which are uniting humanity. Is this happening in our community ? Learning is confusing, restrictive and submissive ! First segregation from non bohras, then segregation within the community, I don’t want my dear friend going to HELL just because he is not a bohra !, Embezzler amils, shiekhs and ayans grinning one scam after another. Where is the justice ?
I have lost faith in Bohra leadership, I have lost faith in faltering humans. Not in Islam, not in Quran. I seek forgiveness and discovering of faith in Allah and Islam.
mustafanalwalla wrote:Again, utter nonsense. i can use stronger words but these should suffice. HB, do not juxtapose or extrapolate your views onto the general Abde population. you might be feeling these, but for us, and especially for me, seeing my Dai is more important than your so-called definition of "fancy resorts" and "goodies". If you have faith, then even a simple sabil giving water outside a masjid is enough. if you dont, then even serving simple sherbert will be seen as a sign of being ostentatious
Hey MN, I m generalizing POVs I presented over those abdes, who feel this way. Read the context of the paragraph. I will break it for you.
Faakhera jaman : Majorly attend majlises in anticipation of Jaman, I don’t have survey statistics to prove this attitude. But in your heart you know how jaman temptation works to a human psychology.
Organized Social get-togethers : Every second days there is some majlises organized, many a times when I ask a devout looking (STD) bohra what is the occasion, he has no idea, he just came as he was informed there is a majlis, People rush to sit with their friends at the farmost scattered places in the markaz, ignoring nizaam and ensuring they can exchange latest stuff on mobile phones, chat and wait till jaman is served. Friends and family will form thaals and restrict strangers from joining them, holding places for their wandering friends. I have seen kids, youngsters, and even elders humiliating elder strangers to look for another thaal.
Fancy Resorts : It has become a convenient vacation spots and a getaway for a vacation or timepass trip to musaloeum resorts. Visiting the dargah is part of the ritual. It’s a standard practice amongst wagaad bohra populace to visit such resorts for a quick vacation multiple times. The sad situation is, even at this resorts segregation takes place. Plum foreign visitors are given exclusive accommodation, whereas local families, youths who are from nearby towns are taken for granted.
mustafanalwalla wrote:If you have faith, then even a simple sabil giving water outside a masjid is enough. if you dont, then even serving simple sherbert will be seen as a sign of being ostentatious
Your defence against the accusation of pompous display of extravagance is weak. I would not debunk an effort of organization if they are transparent, honest and acceptable under modest austerity.
