Kothar imposes restrictions on photos, publicity

[ghulam muhammed]

Kothar is panicking and shivering due to the expose of its innumerable unethical and unislamic practices which smells of mass extortion from its followers in the guise of Islam. Hence it has sent stern warnings to abdes not to reveal its practices to the outer world as it has caused them undue embarrasment. Not to forget that this forum has been a major source of their embarrasment as it allows complete freedom of expression due to which members have been able to highlight the malpractices of the bohra clergy. Hence kothar sponsored websites are quoting as below :-

Media Guidelines for Mumineen/Muminaat

Important Announcement
All mumineen are hereby notified that raza has not been granted for forwarding/uploading of any akhbar, photos, videos, bayaan etc. on any medium, namely Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp, BBM and the likes. Anyone found forwarding/uploading any such content will have his/her ITS card blocked and won't be able to use it for any miqaat.

Media Guidelines for websites

Important Announcement
Websites that have been granted raza for uploading akhbar should strictly adhere to the following guidelines:
The section for Huzurala's (tus) akhbar should not contain more than 20 photographs.
The section for Sadaat Kiram should not contain more than 5 photographs.
The section for Qasre Aali should not contain more than 3 photographs.
The Bilaad Imaniya section should not contain more than 2 photographs.(Note: Only photographs of 3rd waaz, 8th waaz, Ashura Raat and Ashura din should be posted.)

As Ashara Mubarakah is upon us, some important guidelines must be followed during these auspicious days:
No waaz points or any kind of text should be posted on any sites
No audio should be posted on any sites
No video should be posted on any sites

Note : This year no one has been granted official raza to click photos. Any mumin/mumina found clicking photos will have their mobiles/cameras confiscated and their ITS cards blocked. All Ummal Kiram are requested to assist in maintaining these guidelines. Mumineen bestowed with the sharaf of ziyafat will only be allowed to upload 4 photographs.

[ghulam muhammed]

Even the Hindus proudly say "Garv se kaho hum hindu hai" but the bohra clergy is ashamed to admit its TRUE identity which appears on their websites................ wow what a faith, what a belief !!!!

[Safiuddin]

Hmm. It looks like TUS & TUS, Inc. is really worried now. GOOD.
We still need to keep speaking out - only then will this cult be
revealed for what it truly represents.

[Al Fateh]

may Allah subhanu crush down this religious business leaded by mb and Mufaddal as soon as possible Ameen.

[wise_guy]

may Allah subhanu crush down this religious business leaded by mb and Mufaddal as soon as possible Ameen.

how blind have u become in you jealousy of the Dawaat that you curse the 52nd Dai and his Mansoos. You and all the opponents on this forum are just blaming and abusing the Sahebs without contributing to any improvement in the situation which brings about no change at all.

I can only conclude that this website has just become a place to crack jokes and have some entertainment on the expense of anouncements, photos, news of the Dawaat and the website reporting them.

[humanbeing]

This is good stuff coming from Kothar ! Cat is out of the bag ! Although Kothar has got some success in controlling bohra behavior but these ones are wishful thinking. Walayat of Clergy is going to turn into their own pain in the neck.

There are many blogs expressing fancy fairytales and elevating of Dai to superhuman status, are they going to block them all ?

Bohra carry picture of Dai everywhere, put them in cars, offices, wallets (not their Parent’s, Wife’s, children’s or GF’s but Dais) that is some love !

Kothar is still enjoying safe heavens in Corrupt democratic country like India, but face hardships in Gulf Muslim countries or law oriented western countries. Kuwait jamaat drains taxpayers money into bribing authorities to keep their show going.

Now when threat is looming on the head, Kothar will get into stealth (Taqiyet) mode, and channel energy into explaining bohras not to express emotions in public. Community has become a puppet in the hands of Kothari inc, When they want sing song, when its risky don’t !

[exploitedpocket]

if abdes have any command remaining over corrupted brain cells, one can easily notice "change in tactics" scenario.

A definite cold war situation has aroused from last few months between kothar and this website. it seems like this website has slowly and steadily started to put an effect on general activities of kothar mubarak.

Authentic proof :

When i try to search dawoodi bohras in search engine, a blog comes on number 5 or 6, which tries to ensure in a requesting manner that abdes should not open anything other than websites operating by raza and dua mubarak.

[Al Fateh]

may Allah subhanu crush down this religious business leaded by mb and Mufaddal as soon as possible Ameen.

how blind have u become in you jealousy of the Dawaat that you curse the 52nd Dai and his Mansoos. You and all the opponents on this forum are just blaming and abusing the Sahebs without contributing to any improvement in the situation which brings about no change at all.

I can only conclude that this website has just become a place to crack jokes and have some entertainment on the expense of anouncements, photos, news of the Dawaat and the website reporting them.

give me a single reason to be jeolous of mb,mufaddal and his paltus?

mb has lost his senses and now have become real IDOL (who cant do or think any thing)

mufaddal is busy commenting on air hostesses and roaming arround leaving islami and its principles behind

paltus are busy munching and collecting money, which none of them will take in there grave.


so what is there to be jeolous?

I follow QURAAN and I am proud to stand for justice and HAQ, and what about u?

do u even understand for what reason u are doing sajdas to these IDOLS?

[wise_guy]

@ al loser.... If u really follow the Quran, you should believe that truth will triumph and believe in Allah. Tawakkaltoh al allah... Then have faith... Time will change

[Bohra spring]

Whatever censorship they the Kothar try we the rebels will find ways to get photos and evidence out to shame and humiliate them until they change their ways.
Unless they do a complete lock down and spare us the spin and propganada they want us to listen and watch will they be able to block the bad stuff coming out.

[Safiuddin]

@ al loser.... If u really follow the Quran, you should believe that truth will triumph and believe in Allah. Tawakkaltoh al allah... Then have faith... Time will change

Not wise guy,

Al Fateh is doing the Islamic thing and keeping his tawakkul in his God. You, on the other hand,
are keeping your faith in a reprehensible, lying, cheating, idol worshiping group of heathens
who use Islam to further their materialistic goals.
I find it ironic that you advise others to have tawakkul in God, when you clearly are not doing the same thing.
Perhaps it would be best for you not to throw stones while living in a glass house.

[Al Zulfiqar]

what is this if not a blatant attempt by the evil mafia of saifee mahal to suppress exposure of their shirk-filled and unislamic activities?

instead of mending their arrogant, self-glorifying and unethical ways, they choose to hide all mention of it. this seems to be their only response to the events in pakistan. for a while now all the public show-sha and pomp and glamourous extravaganzas in public will cease and will be done indoors where access is severely controlled and now even photographers and videographers will have to seek "raza" and their final production will be vetted for damage control.

by applying threats of denying their usual tools of "raza" to any errant abde and cutting of their balls, they are rendereing the community even more impotent and beholden to them. in a curious twist, where the events of pakistan should have been a wake-up call to these robber barons to mend their arrogant and ayyash ways which are totally against islam, instead of seeing an improvement in their and their community's shameless and insensitive behaviour, they choose to crush their abdes/amtes even more under their iron heels!

far from gettng relief for the long suffering abde bohras, the events have only resulted in more tyranny, more stricter controls, more oppression and censorship! sweep the dirt under the carpet and hide it from world view, seems to be the new motto! in an age of explosion of news and information technology, the bohras regress into an orwellian world of censorship, denial and siege mentality.

'hum bade fakhar se shirk karenge, lekin abhi khulle aam nahi, bandh darwazo ke peeche'. wah bhai wah!!!

su eni niraali shaan chhe, hizaar peeli thai gayi chhe!

[porus]

Kothar has come down on abdes with all guns blazing and put the fear of God into them by threatening baraat if anyone of them contributes to this website, especially with any information relating to what is being called "deeni ta'alieem".

While they may look on into this website, I do not expect any abdes to participate in any conversation from now on. We are unlikely to hear fro Adam, Progticide and others like them from now on.

I would welcome being proved wrong.

[Maqbool]

@ al loser.... If u really follow the Quran, you should believe that truth will triumph and believe in Allah. Tawakkaltoh al allah... Then have faith... Time will change

Time will change!!
It is changing my dear.

[Al Zulfiqar]

porus,

i doubt that the die-hard brainwashed fanatics and attack dogs of the kothar will disappear. they are in fact trained agents 'sent' here as part of a plan to mount counter-insurgency tactics of obfuscation, misinformation and outright deception to fool the majority of 'insider' bohras who participate here, bohras who are properly registered fee-paying members of bohra jamaats, but have no access to all the obscure books and scripts and scholarly knowledge of arabic and our deen as you do.

besides, even if they are coming here on their own out of misguided zeal and misplaced fanaticism, the kothar cannot possibly monitor their pc's and personal internet accounts. yes, what may influence people like adam and pesticide to stay away is the fact that many of the facile arguments they used to proudly present as arguments were in themselves very revealing and provided reformists additional fodder of their shirk.

i agree, we do not wish to see them gone. this board will be dull without their lively, if lame, debates.

[Humsafar]

Kothar has come down on abdes with all guns blazing and put the fear of God into them by threatening baraat if anyone of them contributes to this website, especially with any information relating to what is being called "deeni ta'alieem".

While they may look on into this website, I do not expect any abdes to participate in any conversation from now on. We are unlikely to hear fro Adam, Progticide and others like them from now on.

I would welcome being proved wrong.

Porus,
Is this an official fatwa that has come down from on high? If so then it is a testimony to the success of this site, and at the same time a typical reaction of a tyrannical and unaccountable regime. Instead of mending its ways the mafia tyranny is trying to banish all criticism of itself. This is of course short-sighted and counter-productive, which will lead to further isolation and dumbing down of Bohras. But these tactics will work only in the short run, in this age of Internet and instant messaging it is difficult to keep secrets: The silent, suffering majority will out them, no matter how much fear of God they pump in their minds.

[humanbeing]

There are several ways to spread the word, actually love for kothar has become pain in neck for kothar. Silly abdes are spreading every move of Kothari inc around on watsapp, twitter, facebook, blogs, viber, fring and other media. After all having knowledge of Kothari inc and sharing it is like an expression of piety and faithfulness amongst abdes


Abde Social discussion revolve around how great and fancy “royals” are ! when I visit social gatherings, I m amused at maturity of conversations abdes get into, boasting how one knows better than another what texture and quality cloths “royals” wear for an example !

[porus]

Kothar has come down on abdes with all guns blazing and put the fear of God into them by threatening baraat if anyone of them contributes to this website, especially with any information relating to what is being called "deeni ta'alieem".

While they may look on into this website, I do not expect any abdes to participate in any conversation from now on. We are unlikely to hear fro Adam, Progticide and others like them from now on.

I would welcome being proved wrong.

Porus,
Is this an official fatwa that has come down from on high?

Yes it is official. I have been forwarded an email sent by what is termed "Idara at-tareef as-sakhsi", which I believe is the Administrator for e-Jamaat id's.

The email is a fatwa banning participation in electronic social media. It quotes Imam Muhammad al-Baqir and Imam Jafer al-Sadiq stating that revealing knowledge is tantamount to expressing enmity of Imams.

This is what I mean when I say that Kothar has put the 'fear of God' into abdes who take to social media such as this site.

[Humsafar]

Thanks Porus. Is it possible to reproduce the email here?

[porus]

Thanks Porus. Is it possible to reproduce the email here?

[ghulam muhammed]

Porus is right ! E-jamat cardholders in India have recieved similar fatwas via email. There is lot of activity going on in watsup circle wherein diehard abdes strictly warn their friends/relatives as not to pass on any dawat material via text messages.

[Biradar]

This message from the Kothar is to forbid people from discussing and disseminating what they hear in the Moharram and other vaeez. They cite Imam Mohammad al-Bakir and Jafar as-Sadik as saying, in effect, that "one should not reveal our secrets and should keep them hidden". Actually, it is not clear if those statements by the Imams, even if authentic, apply to religious knowledge at all.

In any case, perhaps the Kothar people have not heard that almost all literature is now openly available and, anyway, is nearly impossible to hide. In fact, we should explicitly make an effort to make the literature freely and openly available ourselves. If anyone gets the written summaries of the Moharram vaeez, for example, please post them in the library section here. Also, lets make an effort to put here texts, if their copyright has expired, and translations, where available, so that everyone can read and learn for themselves. Even just lists of books and articles should be enough for a dedicated student to try and visit their local university libraries. All they need to know is what to look for and where.

I think this is a reaction to the killings of bohras in Karachi. Kothar understands very well that the cause of those attacks were the ostentatious displays put on by the Sayedna and his mansoos, but, in an Orwellian twist, are trying to make it appear as if spreading religious knowledge was the cause. For them, these attacks are a literal god-send, another opportunity to stifle all of the little remaining openness in the community. Not that it will succeed, but it is yet another way in which the community leaders are putting a stranglehold on every aspect of bohra lives, including what they eat, what they wear, what they think and what they say. Welcome to 1984.

[Bori85]

This message from the Kothar is to forbid people from discussing and disseminating what they hear in the Moharram and other vaeez. They cite Imam Mohammad al-Bakir and Jafar as-Sadik as saying, in effect, that "one should not reveal our secrets and should keep them hidden". Actually, it is not clear if those statements by the Imams, even if authentic, apply to religious knowledge at all.

In any case, perhaps the Kothar people have not heard that almost all literature is now openly available and, anyway, is nearly impossible to hide. In fact, we should explicitly make an effort to make the literature freely and openly available ourselves. If anyone gets the written summaries of the Moharram vaeez, for example, please post them in the library section here. Also, lets make an effort to put here texts, if their copyright has expired, and translations, where available, so that everyone can read and learn for themselves. Even just lists of books and articles should be enough for a dedicated student to try and visit their local university libraries. All they need to know is what to look for and where.

I think this is a reaction to the killings of bohras in Karachi. Kothar understands very well that the cause of those attacks were the ostentatious displays put on by the Sayedna and his mansoos, but, in an Orwellian twist, are trying to make it appear as if spreading religious knowledge was the cause. For them, these attacks are a literal god-send, another opportunity to stifle all of the little remaining openness in the community. Not that it will succeed, but it is yet another way in which the community leaders are putting a stranglehold on every aspect of bohra lives, including what they eat, what they wear, what they think and what they say. Welcome to 1984.

Is it possible to translate the above "fatwa" in English and Gujrati and get it publish in newspapers in India. This way, it will be in open that Kothar is taking out fatwa's like this for the community, and let other Muslim community also know what's going on in DB jamaats. I wonder if Mr.Asghar Ali Engineer can get this thing publish in newspapers in bombay and other big cities of India. With his influence and connections, I think he will be able to do this, it will be a big step for the progressive dawoodi bohra.

[Al Zulfiqar]

reading this fatwa was shocking. this dawoodi abde bohra cult now closely resembles the RSS in its tactics of utmost secrecy and deeply hidden, sinister agendas.

i think we should all do our part in as widely disseminating this fatwa among non-bohra muslims as possible.

every reform minded member should copy/save the fatwa images as i have, and send it to every muslim newspaper, organisation, society and maulvi, after having suitably translated it into urdu, hindi, english etc.

i undertake to contact the canadian muslim congress with this and get their opinion. forum members in USA should also do their part in exposing these saifee mahal mafia and their intimidatory tactics.

[porus]

The fatwa claims that the 'knowledge' imparted in majaalis incorporate 'secrets' from the books of awliya kiram. And that this knowledge contributes to the happiness of mumineen in this life and is beneficial to them in afterlife (aakhirat).

Without actually revealing any knowledge, the fatwa praises this knowledge to high heaven. Of course, without a lot of open discussion of the said knowledge, its efficacy in promoting happiness cannot be judged independently by the public. Abdes take it for granted that knowledge is useful without questioning it.

And, if the 'knowledge' promotes well-being, why is Daawat so afraid of spreading it widely? Would that not serve mankind, Allah's primary purpose for humans?

I suspect that the reason why Kothar wants to keep knowledge secret is that their interpretation is designed to enslave Bohras, not to enlighten them. Isn't is ironic that one reason why Kothar does not wish this 'knowledge' discussed or disseminated is that it claims the knowledge might be misinterpreted. I wonder who is abusing the knowledge to what purpose.

[Bohra spring]

If someone can do a big favor ...

Transliterate and translate it word for word as it is dawat zaban. Having a consistent document will make the initiative AZ has suggested to be more effective.

[ghulam muhammed]

And, if the 'knowledge' promotes well-being, why is Daawat so afraid of spreading it widely? Would that not serve mankind, Allah's primary purpose for humans?

I suspect that the reason why Kothar wants to keep knowledge secret is that their interpretation is designed to enslave Bohras, not to enlighten them.

This is the bottomline !!

[ozmujaheed]

I read recently on this site that only 1% abdes know about this site and checked it for my self and yes not many know about it. I strongly urge a pyramid style propagation that every PDB member actively by email or word of mouth invite 5 abdes to this site and ask each of them to forward to at least 5 other contacts of them and there on.

I also recently notice and has been expertly advised the website is not easily accessible from google and wonder whether this is a fault or someone who is against it is running a denial of service or hack . Meanwhile fellow rebels change your passwords and make sure your linked email is not traceable to your personal identity.

This fight between abdes and PDB is going to get uglier as the kothar is fighting for its survival and relevance their revenues are constrained by their large number and they need abdes to milk them. Kothar currently has bigger number of followers, money and infrastructure like in any organized community. Comparatively the pdb is made up of rag tag money wise part time activists we have to win hearts and minds and grow strategically . The only advantage is it is made up of committed and coloborative individual s. Look around the kothar troops are mainly made up of grey haired crooked traders who look like goons and just because they could afford a mulla. Or sheikh title they have been placed in front. Their per abde intelligence is smaller than the per prog intelligence. Future battles are won intelligently not in numbers.

The Safety of PDB member is important as we are few and the more insiders we Have the more effective .

Throwing stones from outside is less effective than opening the side gate to let the authorities and opponents into the mysterious world of abdes

Kothar will be smart to come to the table and seek a compromise or fade to a point of irrelevance ...which ever way is progress for us.

Brothers and sisters do not dis hearten it will take time , resolve and we have to be one step ahead of our adversary

Let us hope our spring does not end prematurely like the Iranians but blossom and succeed like the Arab spring...inshallah

[asad]

Ozmujaheed, best of luck with your efforts. I have tried it but it was counter productive

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[Bohra spring]

Asad what were the Andes looking for on this site and what turned them away ?

Of course there is derogatory comments but surely they can find gems of information that hey would never know ?

This is a site that has the good and bad ..because it is made up of real un doctored comments...true and false

I do also sometimes wonder too many abides are comfortable with their masters and life style of Jaman and promise of heaven ..they are not seeking true Islam...but their are many who need a nudge to think for themselves and be woken from their hypnotism and some are stuck and need direction that is all we care for.

It is not a publicity site like the abde site