seyedna says pray shoulder to shoulder

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Re: seyedna says pray shoulder to shoulder

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon May 31, 2004 5:31 pm

Iraqi police close Chalabi office

Alhumdulillah, justice is in the hands of the Lord Almighty. Someday the Bush office will go the same way inshaallah.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Mon May 31, 2004 9:24 pm

Wahabi Scientist,

Listen, read, learn, understand...then type.

If there was no outrage over Saddam killing his own people,

I am speaking of you ignoramus, YOU ! READ MY POSTS ! Not one posting right ? You are a biased Islamic extremist, fundamentalist with a closed mind, trained in a Madrasa.

How can you learn if you can't even read a message before you type ? Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia and scream your lungs out against your masters ? Never mind, Shahria...lungs-B-Gone :D

Islam will not be a civilized religion, nor will it earn any respect, unless you guys value life, speak out against Mulsim-on-muslim violence, condemn the killing of civilians (not just by the Americans & Israelis), and respect the dignity of dead human beings instead of bouncing up and down with your arms in the air, and playing with dismembered body parts. Your fellow Wahabi Muslim First calls kissing of graves by the Bohris "Shirk", think how outraged he would be were he aware that Wahabis are playing with and displaying body parts of dead Human Beings.

Suddenly Sharon looks like a man of peace...Get my drift ?

It's a shame....

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:04 pm

When and how did this discussion turn into "Islam is not civilized" you MORON??

And how the fuck do you know that I was not outraged with what Saddam did you MORON?? Of course I was outraged when morons like you told me that he had 80,000 litres of Sarin gas (or was it mustard??), of course I was outraged when morons like you told me that he had enough nuclear weapons to destroy the whole USA, of course I was outraged when morons like you told me that he could launch a biological/chemical attack within 45 minutes and destroy us all, of course I was outraged when I was told that he had all these mass graves.

But then I was also outraged when I found out that all this was a lie and the mass graves that he created was with the help of his Sharon worshipping masters only for their benefit and that the mass graves that he created are not 1/5 th the size of the mass graves been created now by your Sharon worshipping masters. I was also outraged when I found out that your Sharon worshipping masters deserve as much outrage but morons like you will never get it!! get it?? ;) ;)

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Re: seyedna says pray shoulder to shoulder

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:07 pm

And yeah forgot to add.. "It's a shame...."

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:13 pm

Something got me thinking (that is a first :D

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:15 pm

And as always, forgot to add.. "It's a shame...."

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 6:27 pm

New York Times says it was duped by Pentagon 'cunning'

Iraq, R.I.P. Something of interest for those with a few more grey cells than Average Morons :D

Prominent U.S. Jews, Israel blamed for start of Iraq war How dare they?? Bulldoze their houses.

It’s official now, US Army ‘robbed’ Iraqis

Reminds me of a movie called the "Thief of Baghdad" only difference being, the thief gave the money to the poor instead of stealing from them ;)

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:15 pm

Myth of moral superiority

Something interesting for the Average Morons of the USA (doubt they will understand though ;) )

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Re: seyedna says pray shoulder to shoulder

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Unread post by Mal » Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:56 pm

NOBODY is PERFECT as perfection doesnot exist. Bohras, Sunnis, Shias, Saudis, American, Palestine, Israel, whatever.....!!!!!! everybody has to learn to give and take - COMPROMISE.... we have to forget the POWER and try to educate ourselves .... come up to some thing, HOW, i donot know. There are a hundred of things which are wrong in Bohras and so are there in Saudia. I am a Dawoodi Bohra but fed up of Dai, his tamashas and loot - sick and tired of his Family and his henchmen, and was in Saudi Arabia for 13 years and got tired of that place too ... so many restrictions, on every thing, police state ... instigating fear .... so i left and now i m in Canada .... a better, far better place to live, tolerant, educated, free .....!!! can preach and practice anything (now even same-sex marriages are allowed, if two want to..!!!) - so we all have to learn. RELIGION is the last thing I would fight for ...... leave religion aside for the time being, it has served its purpose and it is finished now, fully depreciated. it is thing of past, look to something else.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:06 pm

Mal,

Can you elaborate on what kind of restrictions are there in Saudi and how they instigate fear and for what? And let us leave same-sex marriage out of it cause I would rather get punished for it over here than in the hereafter.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Sun Jun 13, 2004 12:53 am

what kind of restrictions are there in Saudi and how they instigate fear and for what?

Are your smoking the peace pipe again or is it still ignorance ? Review some of my earlier posts and the following:

1. Try giving your wife or daughter the car keys to drive to the store.
2. How about rescuing burning little girls from a fire at the school ?
3. Maybe you want to perform Matam somewhere in public ?
4. How about dressing the way you want ?
5. Maybe buy some lingerie for your wife out of a Victoria's Secret or Neiman Marcus catalog ?
6. How about writing freely against the government in the press ?
7. Maybe build a non-wahabi mosque ?

Yeah I know, wasting my time on you again....

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:23 am

Yo Moron,

How many years have you spent in Saudi Arabia? Right!!! So have I.

So let Mal awnser and keep your hole shut.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:36 am

Yeah I figured....can't reply again 'eh ? I am educating you without tuition.
This explains it...your knowledge is limited to where you have travelled...so how much time have you spent in Palestine, Einstein ??? :D

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:35 pm

None, but what I know about Palestine is by talking to and reading from people who have spent time over there and not from morons like you. So once again, shut your hole and let Mal awnser.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:49 pm

This is so juvenile.....FACT ARE FACTS ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION IGNORAMUS !!! After all you were ignorant enough to ask
what kind of restrictions are there in Saudi and how they instigate fear and for what?
Just when I think I understand the level of ignorance that exists with you guys, you amaze me with a new low !
but what I know about Palestine is by talking to and reading from people who have spent time over there
So your source is your Wahabi buddies...try research.

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:50 am

"try research" Hmmmm... do you even know what that means you moron?

That is exactly what I am trying to do, you fool, when I am trying to get information out of someone who has spent 13 years in Saudi Arabia and I may even get it (for the benefit of all) if you don't keep pushing your sharon worshipping butt in the middle. So once again, shut your hole and let Mal awnser.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:30 am

Wahabis can't get away this easy....here's the answer to your post, now let's here what you have to say...ignorance is no excuse.
Are your smoking the peace pipe again or is it still ignorance ? Review some of my earlier posts and the following:

1. Try giving your wife or daughter the car keys to drive to the store.
2. How about rescuing burning little girls from a fire at the school ?
3. Maybe you want to perform Matam somewhere in public ?
4. How about dressing the way you want ?
5. Maybe buy some lingerie for your wife out of a Victoria's Secret or Neiman Marcus catalog ?
6. How about writing freely against the government in the press ?
7. Maybe build a non-wahabi mosque ?

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Re: seyedna says pray shoulder to shoulder

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Unread post by khan19922001 » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:30 pm

Dear Average Bohra / Anjami

Would you like comments of someone who has spent 18 years in Saudi Arabia and is still there or would you like to wait for MAL to wake up.

Regards

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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:22 pm

.
Br. Khan
AS

What would be your respnse to points raised by Br. Avg. Bohra.

Wasalaam
.

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Unread post by Mal » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:46 pm

Hi Anajmi

Why do you want ME to answer..??? Do u care about the ANSWER and its correctness or you are more concerned with WHO is answering..???

Average Bohra...

Thanks my friend, you have answered Anajmi.

PLUS there are so many other things. I say again - there are good and bad things every where, in every individual, group, community, country .....!!!! Bohra community may have some good things (or may be they had..) and they have bad, same is Saudi Arabia as a country, as a sect of religion .... one can debate. Now if I see more disadvantages I will not like it - and again let me be clear - what is disadvantage to me may not necessarily be same to other and it may very much be other way round - so we cannot generalize. HAving said all that - it is the General Impression that counts ...!!!

And someone has asked ......

Let that person answer who has been in Saudi Arabia for 18 years and still is there ....!!!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:14 am

Mal,

Thank you for answering. And I would agree with you 100% when you say that what is a disadvantage for one may not be for another for eg you may appreciate the fact that Canada allows gay marriages and I can only say Astagfirullah.

You asked me, why do I want you to answer? Well, that's cause you said you spent 13 years over there. I thought that should've been obvious.

Then you asked if I care about the answer and its correctness, and I say, YES, unless you doubt its correctness, but then since you are the one who is answering, I am sure you do not.

And then you asked if I was concerned with who was answering and I again say YES. I do not care much about answers given by average morons.

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:16 am

Brother khan,

I would be glad if you could throw more light on this subject having lived in Saudi for the past 18 years.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:51 am

Throw more light on this subject ? What planet are you living in ?

Freedom is not relative..freedom is a right. What you do with it may be prosecuted based on the morals of society, and the rule of law, not religion. All MUST have the freedom to practice their religion as they see fit, not dictate it to others, or make it in to law.
you may appreciate the fact that Canada allows gay marriages and I can only say Astagfirullah.
You allow FGM I say Astagfirullah
You allow women to be stoned to death for adultery I say Astagfirullah
You allow journalists to be put to death I say Astagfirullah
You allow dictatorships I say Astagfirullah
You chop of arms for burglary I say Astagfirullah
You proclaim Fatwahs against writers that don't agree with you I say Astagfirullah
You justify targeted killing of civlians I say Astagfirullah

After all this melodrama you post yet another nonsensical response. What are you all about ? Do you need a guy from SA to tell you he agrees with you ?

BTW: Khan, look forward to whatever you have to post whether it agrees with my point of view or not. This is a free discussion board and you do not need permission to post ideas & opinions.

No one should....

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:20 am

Average Moron,

I think you are suffering from a disease called reverse mental growth. You need to go see a doctor. :D

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:26 am

Why don't you try answering questions posed to you ? Otherwise you continue to waste our time with no contribution.

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Unread post by khan19922001 » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:49 am

Ok. busy with some office work. Will do a detailed reply next week. I think the issue need proper analysis and will require some investment of time.

Regards

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Unread post by Mal » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:57 pm

Good job by every one.

We wait for Khan to come up with his analysis.

Anajmi:

Keep it cool man.... and honestly lets answer what Average Bohra is saying, lets be constructive, he raised so many points and he is right .... and u r right too in some ways.

And Average Bohra

We appreicate ur input and we will have good debate and discussion.

Anajmi:

Accept the TRUTH from whereever it is coming, donot care about the source ... if u feel that something answers ur quest and query and is making sense, then accept it .... TRUTH is same, no matter who speaks.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:19 am

Average Moron/Mal,

I am not interested in answering these stupid questions once again. I have answered all the questions that the moron has raised and more elsewhere on this board, but one needs to have a brain slightly bigger than a pea to understand.

Mal,
Accept the TRUTH from whereever it is coming, donot care about the source ... if u feel that something answers ur quest and query and is making sense, then accept it .... TRUTH is same, no matter who speaks.
How do I know it is the truth if I do not care about the source? And if I know it is the truth, why does anyone have to speak it? I am sorry but it does not seem to make any sense.

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:20 am

khan,

I will be eagerly waiting for your reply.

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Unread post by Average Bohra » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:57 am

Why ? Because you are hoping he will agree with you ? Enough unanswered posts for you to keep you busy for a while, and hopefully in deep thought.

What a concept....