Deedar (Darshan) of Maula

[pardesi]

But dear Pardesi,

It still does not qualify him as noor of Allah...

Aaah Aarif,

Good to see you are still around. You missed the point in my post. I wasn't trying to validate his Imamat in my post rather I was actually answering yours and MF's tirade about how our Imam would not even be the 1000th or millionth, or billionth on the list of most influentials. The point is that the institution of Imamat is selfless. They care less if they get any recognition for their work, or criticism for that matter.

[Muslim First]

Pardesi Bhai

Khilafat of Hz. Umar RA is in the books of History. Haters of 3 has their own vies and Mainstream Islam has its own view.

In nutshell Allah will judge Hz. Umar for his deeds. And do not forget that he was one of few whom Prophet SAW gave Basharat of Jannah. So now burn, baby burn.

As far as Gadheer Khum is concerned, Mainstream Islam has different understanding of whole incident. It will make no difference to you because you believe in your version.

Facts of matter are as follows:

Hz. Abu Bakr became 1 Khalif and Hz. Ali gave allegiance to him.
Became important helper to him.

Hz Umar became II Khalif and Hz. Ali gave allegiance to him.
Became important helper to him.

Hz. Uthman became 3 Khalif and Hz. Ali was around during his Khilafat.

When Hz Ali became Khalif and ruled for nearly 6 years, he did not revoke any thing which previous 3 had done. Nor he produced his own Qur’an.

Ismail died before Jafar so those who claim Imamat are “Empty Suits”. If you have concrete evidence otherwise please produce so History can be corrected otherwise Shut-up.

[Aarif]

Good to see you are still around.

Pardesi,

I am always around. Its you who had taken a break to go and do darshan of your bhagwan...

BTW: Did you receive your year end bonus along with the pay check this time for being the most hard core PR agent of your MHI on this forum???

[anajmi]

pardesi,

CALIPH UMAR'S ADDRESS AFTER JERUSALEM

Not a single question you raise is in anyway logical. They simply demonstrate the validity of the "sour grapes" (intoxicating sour grapes I should say) theory as it applies to the Ismailis.

for eg.

OK. Something fishy here. What was the need for stressing this point at this particular time.

What are you even talking about? There were munafiqs in Median praying "namaz" or "salah" right there with the prophet. The good thing is that there were no Ismailis!! Now there are. There will be mushriks and munafiqs, hidden and obvious, at all times.

What were his intentions when he broke his allegiance he gave to Ali at the Pond of Khum?

Nothing but an Ismaili fairy tale.

Where is it in the Quran or the Sunnah?

Seriously man, are you really that stupid?

No Shit!

[Muslim First]

Pardesi Bahi
Following are couple of links you might want to read. Wether you agree or not would not make any difference and useless points to argue.

SUNNI and SHIA point of view on Ghadir-e-Khum?
http://www.kr-hcy.com/askimam/17.shtml

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php? ... 1a0021c43f

Take care. Learn abour Islam based on Qur'an and Sunnah. It will do you good.

[Muslim First]

I remember one magazine called him "The quiet Prince of Islam". He would leave a lagacy behind, not the ranking on some chart!

What magazine?

What do they knowabout Islam?

Can you be "The quiet Prince of Islam" and not pray regular Salaat, Saum or go to Hajj?

Can a good Muslim dis obay Qur'an?

Sell alcohol on his property?

Give his daughter to non Muslim?

Questios to ponder.
.

[Aarif]

The quiet Prince of Islam

What dear Pardesi means is that the prince does everything quietly E.g. marry a German pop singer half his age quietly, race horses quietly, fleece Ismailis like AW4Z quietly, hide the original Quran quietly, absorb the noor of Allah quietly, send paid agents like ZN and Pardesi quietly and so on...

[pardesi]

Pardesi Bhai

Khilafat of Hz. Umar RA is in the books of History. Haters of 3 has their own vies and Mainstream Islam has its own view.

Indeed it is. But not in Quran or Sunnah, or is it?

In nutshell Allah will judge Hz. Umar for his deeds. And do not forget that he was one of few whom Prophet SAW gave Basharat of Jannah. So now burn, baby burn.

Allah will judge all of us for our deeds. As far as basharat of jannah is concerned, the list of Ashra-e-Mubashira seems suspect. Made up at best just like many thousands of your hadiths. What is this based on? Some hadeeth? If it is true, could you enlighten me on what basis those individuals were given the basharat by the Prophet. I have heard of one basis, i.e. participation in the battle of badr but not sure if it was for the martyrs or all. May be if you quote the relevant hadith, it might help understand the context and circumstances. Why would I burn if the matter, if true, has been decided by Allah and His prophet. But then again you said "Allah will judge Hz. Umar for his deeds." If that is the case then prophet's basharat does not hold water, now does it?

As far as Gadheer Khum is concerned, Mainstream Islam has different understanding of whole incident. It will make no difference to you because you believe in your version.

Yes, I believe in the same version that so many of your ulema also believe in. Your version is biased and flawed and therefore has not made any difference to you.

Facts of matter are as follows:

Hz. Abu Bakr became 1 Khalif and Hz. Ali gave allegiance to him.
Became important helper to him.

Hz Umar became II Khalif and Hz. Ali gave allegiance to him.
Became important helper to him.

Hz. Uthman became 3 Khalif and Hz. Ali was around during his Khilafat.

Historical facts. Correct. Does not necessarily mean just. Allegiance given by Ali was demanded by force or was given reluctantly and we all know that the matter of allegiance was the prime reason for the "first fitna" and Ali was aware of this possibility and therefore he reluctantly gave allegiance to keep the Ummah intact. The question is not who was first, second, third or fourth caliph, the question is legitimacy. How were they selected. Or were the first two selected. There was not even a democratic process that was followed. Naah, they appointed each other. The circumstances around the selection of the third is well known too. Uthman was awarded the caliphate only after Ali refused the third condition as laid forth by the dying Umar that the third caliph should follow in the footsteps of the previous two. And what happened during the time of Uthman as caliph? Ali is on record for opposing, confronting and disagreeing with Uthman all throughout for his decisions in the matter of religion as well as some civil decisions.

When Hz Ali became Khalif and ruled for nearly 6 years, he did not revoke any thing which previous 3 had done. Nor he produced his own Qur’an.

Ali during his tenure as caliph was kept busy fighting one war after the other and he himself participated in all of them unlike your previous three HEROS who barely ever showed up at battles and even then as a token appearance. Did Abu Bakr ever raise his sword in any battle? What happened to Umar in the battle of Uhad is well documented. Uthman always found an excuse to not go to battles. He was never given time to correct the previous three's miscreant deeds.

Ismail died before Jafar so those who claim Imamat are “Empty Suits”. If you have concrete evidence otherwise please produce so History can be corrected otherwise Shut-up.

Your love affair with this "Empty Suits" makes me laugh. Honestly I don't really understand what it means. Ismaili views about Ismail's whereabouts and his "alleged" death before his father's have been pointed out to you umpteen times on this board. I think you should shut up.

[Muslim First]

Pasrdesi Bhai

Hopefully you will go to your library and take out "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential your Persons in History" and read M. Harts reasoning why he thought Prophet was No. 1 and Hz Umar was some where in 50s.

It will not make you believer but will broaden your outlook.

BTW I do not think your MHI is "quiet prince of Islam" but he is OK. He does do some good. I hope he obays Qur'an as per 2:208 [O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitan. Verly, He is to you a plain enemy (Trans Al-Hilali,KHan)]. Then he may become Prince of Islam.

[pardesi]

Aarif,

BTW: Did you receive your year end bonus along with the pay check this time for being the most hard core PR agent of your MHI on this forum???

I will take that as a compliment. I get my paycheck and bonus every day. Not in monetary terms as you would expect.

You also mentioned the following in one of your previous posts:

A muslim Imam marrying a westernized pop singer who would have slept with non-mehram men throughout her life which is so common in western countries...

How do you know that she has been sleeping with non-mehram men throughout her life? It does not suit a muslim to engage in this kind of mudslinging towards someone they don't even know. Don't you know that it has been declared a "grave sin"? And living in western countries does not mean that everyone is involved in those acts. I don't know about you but I know MF lives in the US and has a daughter about which he once said he would have no problem if she wanted to take part in Olympics and I believe the sport was swimming. Now by you logic she would be sleeping with every tom, dick and aarif since it is so common in western countries. I believe you are from India and if you live there and if you have a daughter and since sex is "so common" there, would I be right in presuming that she is sleeing around with every tom, dick and pardesi?

Anajmi,

Actually my postings were quite legitimate. If it seems to you as "ismaili fairy tales" then I think you need to do some work to understand it better. As far as munafiqeen living and praying salaat in the time of Prophet is concerned, that is "in the time of the Prophet", not in the time of Omar. The prophet had taken care of all those who were still coming to prayers with idols in their sleeves if that is what you were referring to. Re-read Umar's speech you will get my point and then try answering the questions I raised.

MF,

Haq Char Yaar and Ask Imam are two of the most staunch sunni sites. Just like I don't care for the material you produce here from Ismaili.net and mostmerciful, I don't care much about these two sites either. HCY is hatefilled towards Shia and Ask Imam is well, just that, ask them and they force their biased opinion and views on you or simply ignore the meat of the question. By the way, I do study Islam every day and try to learn more and more and every day my beliefs a getting stronger and stronger in light of Quran and other literature I read.

[pardesi]

Pasrdesi Bhai

Hopefully you will go to your library and take out "The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential your Persons in History" and read M. Harts reasoning why he thought Prophet was No. 1 and Hz Umar was some where in 50s.

It will not make you believer but will broaden your outlook.

BTW I do not think your MHI is "quiet prince of Islam" but he is OK. He does do some good. I hope he obays Qur'an as per 2:208 [O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitan. Verly, He is to you a plain enemy (Trans Al-Hilali,KHan)]. Then he may become Prince of Islam.

MF,

I have read it on the internet and if you refer to one of my previous posts, I said it is a good thing that Hart placed Mohammad as the No.1 guy and we should all be proud of it. As for Omar, well thats debatable as far as what kind of influence he had, negative or positive. My MHI being "OK" is a compliment by your standards. I appreciate it. I am sure he would rather stay away from the limelight as much as possible. It is not his goal to be the "quiet Prince of Islam", his goal is to improve the lives of Ismailis and those we live amongst by educating them, creating opportunities for them to have good life, character, tolerance, love, respect and become good productive citizens and bringing them face to face with good moral behavior so they can go out and teach others outside their immediate communities. Those are his wordly priorities. Religiously, its a whole different ballgame, if you will, and outsiders have no idea what Ismailism is all about because their hearts and minds including eyes and ears have been sealed by Allah.

[Aarif]

How do you know that she has been sleeping with non-mehram men throughout her life?

So now you are saying that Madonna, Samantha Fox, Britney Spears etc. are virgins... What about Tina Turner and Janet Jackson??? What about Jenifer Lopez and Shakira??? And you are saying that a western pop singer from Germany was an unmarried virgin... Pardesi I like your sense of humor. Its fun to have Ismailis around. I would call them entertainment allowance of this forum...

[Aarif]

Religiously, its a whole different ballgame, if you will, and outsiders have no idea what Ismailism is all about because their hearts and minds including eyes and ears have been sealed by Allah.

Common Pardesi, even if I say that our eyes are not sealed and our hearts are open the Ismailis will not allow us in their Jamat Khanas and take a look at their hidden Quran...

[Aarif]

I believe you are from India and if you live there and if you have a daughter and since sex is "so common" there, would I be right in presuming that she is sleeing around with every tom, dick and pardesi?

Pardesi,

I am unmarried so the above does not apply to me. And also please try and distinguish if you can between pop singers and ordinary muslim girls... Or are you trying to say that it is allright for Ismailis like you if their daughters sleep with any Tom, Dick and Aarif

[pardesi]

How do you know that she has been sleeping with non-mehram men throughout her life?

So now you are saying that Madonna, Samantha Fox, Britney Spears etc. are virgins... What about Tina Turner and Janet Jackson??? What about Jenifer Lopez and Shakira??? And you are saying that a western pop singer from Germany was an unmarried virgin...

Now thats a 180 degree turn from what you said earlier. How do you know all these women? Have you been watching them? Or keeping a close tab? "a western pop singr from Germany was an unmarried virgin" is not what you said earlier. You accused her of sleeping around with "non-mehram men" and now you are saying she was not an (unmarried) virgin. How many unmarried virgins did the Prophet marry? She was sent a slave girl who he married, Mary the Copt. She was a slave and do you think it would be right if I said that everyone of the King's ministers probably slept with her? Afterall a slave's job is to please the master, isn't it? Did the Prophet check into these possibilities before he married her? And here we are talking about someone who is a free woman and a pop singer who is a well known Lawyer by profession first and did pop singing as a hobby. I am not in love with this woman but do respect her for being a human being. What happened in her marriage with my Imam is their personal affair.

Have you noticed I have a changed my tone towards you. The more I debate with you, the more I know about you and you are not who you first came around as - someone who was a Bohra and just wanted to learn more about Ismailism. I had a good answer for you in my previous post where I addressed all three of you morons. Read it and if you have any shame you would hide your face for atleast a few days.

[anajmi]

Aarif,

You make a valid point. Besides, there is no mention of this religion called "Ismailism" in the quran. Hence there is no need for any outsider to try to know about it.

Pardesi,

You are continuing to say the same nonsense over and over again and hoping for a different response. There will be mushriks and munafiqs at all times. Even 14 centuries worth of Ismaili Imams haven't been able to get rid of them. I already answered the questions you raised, but you are not looking for an answer are you? You can accuse Khalifas of Islam and at the same time are defending a western pop singer. You got your Ismaili priorities all messed up.

[Aarif]

You accused her of sleeping around with "non-mehram men" and now you are saying she was not an (unmarried) virgin

Pardesi you are a number one idiot... A woman who sleeps with non-mehram men is obviously not a virgin... And I am taking virginity as a synonym for purity... In short I am trying to say that if a woman is unmarried and pure she is a virgin. If she sleeps around (even with Ismailis) she will loose her virginity. But you being an Ismaili fart bank does not miss any opportunity to release gas... And I am learning more about authentic Ismailism by visiting Ismaili.net rather than reading your gas filled responses. You are a lier and a coward who cleverly disappears from this forum when someone exposes your faith and than nicely reappear and start farting assuming that people will run away because of the stink that you are spreading...

[pardesi]

I believe you are from India and if you live there and if you have a daughter and since sex is "so common" there, would I be right in presuming that she is sleeing around with every tom, dick and pardesi?


Pardesi,

I am unmarried so the above does not apply to me. And also please try and distinguish if you can between pop singers and ordinary muslim girls... Or are you trying to say that it is allright for Ismailis like you if their daughters sleep with any Tom, Dick and Aarif

Since you do not have any daughters that is no excuse to accuse others of sleeping around. How do you distinguish between a pop singer and a ordinary muslim girl? Are you saying that ordinary muslim girls do not? And how do you know that? And if one is a pop singer you automatically conclude she has been screwing around other men. Where is you logic? You are getting more like Anajmi twisting words. You will never be able to get under my skin. Ask Anajmi and MF, they have been trying for a few years now. No it is not alright for ismailis like me if our daughters sleep around with anyone other than their husbands. That would be immoral no matter which religion you are from. Its wishful thinking on your part. You are dreaming, rather. I am one step better than you. I do not look at pop stars and start getting a hard-on. That is in your mind and that is exactly what I was trying to point at. I pray that Allah bless you with a beautiful daughter after you get married. Your perspective will change then. Right now you are outside looking in. When you get inside then you will know what it feels like when others are looking in at you and your family. No I do not have any daughters but I do have a clean heart and mind.

Aarif, stop arguing. You know you have been caught with your pants down.

[pardesi]

You accused her of sleeping around with "non-mehram men" and now you are saying she was not an (unmarried) virgin

Pardesi you are a number one idiot... A woman who sleeps with non-mehram men is obviously not a virgin... And I am taking virginity as a synonym for purity... In short I am trying to say that if a woman is unmarried and pure she is a virgin. If she sleeps around (even with Ismailis) she will loose her virginity. But you being an Ismaili fart bank does not miss any opportunity to release gas... And I am learning more about authentic Ismailism by visiting Ismaili.net rather than reading your gas filled responses. You are a lier and a coward who cleverly disappears from this forum when someone exposes your faith and than nicely reappear and start farting assuming that people will run away because of the stink that you are spreading...

Aarif,

Lets back track a little. You said that she was a pop star and that means that she has been sleeping around non-mehram men. I asked you how you know this. You came back with a response that she was not an unmarried virgin. Where did this come from? Are you saying she was a married virgin or an unmarried non-virgin? Please help me understand. The question was how can you say that a woman has been sleeping around when you don't even know her. We were not talking about her virginity, or how someone loses virginity, rather I confronted you for the ill advised statement you made about a woman who happened to be a pop star and a full time top class lawyer. Do you want to know about her family background? You accused her of sleeping around non-mehram men on the basis that she was a part time pop singer and the fact that she lived in the "west where having sex with non-mehram men is so common". Do you even know when and to who men are non-mehram?

Aarif, I do not turn my back on any one. I do sometimes (seldom) give up on illiterate idiots and you are getting close to proving yourself as one. Visiting Ismaili.net will not teach you anything about Ismailism. Grab some books written by neutral and unbiased writers. You know that article you posted a couple of days ago, I forgot where, which was addressed to Africawala where you said that the article is neither from Ismaili.net nor from Mihir Bose/Meherally? That would be a good place to start. Except for a few misstatements, I think you shot yourself in the foot again by posting that article. Sorry I forgot your foot is down your throat already. Let me figure out what else is left there for you to shoot yourself in?

[Aarif]

How do you distinguish between a pop singer and a ordinary muslim girl?

Now look at this. Don't you see any difference between an ordinary muslim girl and a westernized pop singer?? Are you that stupid or you love pretending???

And how do you know that?

I will give you the answer to this question as soon as you tell me how do you came to know that she never slept with non-mehram men before marrying your 60 years old Imam...

And if one is a pop singer you automatically conclude she has been screwing around other men.

Yes it is easy to conclude that a westernized pop singer is very likely to have a free sex life. If you want do some research on foriegn pop stars. I have seen many authentic documentories on lives of pop stars and rock stars. The most common thing among them is sex, booze and drugs... If you will see their life stories you will realize that you cannot even compare them with normal western christian girls, forget about muslim girls...

Ask Anajmi and MF, they have been trying for a few years now.

Pardesi,

Br. MF and Anajmi have thouroughly bashed you up in last few years. Particularly Br. Anajmi has a real good tact of handling Ismailis like you. But than the problem is that even after recieving all the bashing you keep coming back for more... In short you are shameless..

Aarif, stop arguing. You know you have been caught with your pants down.

Atleast I have pants. In your case I am yet to see you wearing one...

[pardesi]

How do you distinguish between a pop singer and a ordinary muslim girl?

Now look at this. Don't you see any difference between an ordinary muslim girl and a westernized pop singer?? Are you that stupid or you love pretending???

Yes I see the difference. Is that a conclusive evidence that a particular pop star has been sleeping around non-mehram men?

And how do you know that?

I will give you the answer to this question as soon as you tell me how do you came to know that she never slept with non-mehram men before marrying your 60 years old Imam...

A simple answer. Morals! It is morally wrong to accuse anyone of sleeping with non-mehram men without any proof. Now lets hear your reasoning.

And if one is a pop singer you automatically conclude she has been screwing around other men.

Yes it is easy to conclude that a westernized pop singer is very likely to have a free sex life. If you want do some research on foriegn pop stars. I have seen many authentic documentories on lives of pop stars and rock stars. The most common thing among them is sex, booze and drugs... If you will see their life stories you will realize that you cannot even compare them with normal western christian girls, forget about muslim girls...

Why are your conclusions always based on likelihood? Why are they not based on facts? You are just shooting blanks I must say. Accusing a woman, whoever she may be, of something without knowing the facts and hard evidence is a grave sin. It is like eating your brothers flesh. You, sir, are a liar.

Ask Anajmi and MF, they have been trying for a few years now.

Pardesi,

Br. MF and Anajmi have thouroughly bashed you up in last few years. Particularly Br. Anajmi has a real good tact of handling Ismailis like you. But than the problem is that even after recieving all the bashing you keep coming back for more... In short you are shameless..

I am not shameless. It is you who takes pride in accusing other peoples women, be they daughters, wives or mothers, of immoral sexual acts without even knowing the facts knowing that in your court she will have to produce four witnesses to prove herself innocent. And you love to be the Judge.

Aarif, stop arguing. You know you have been caught with your pants down.

Atleast I have pants. In your case I am yet to see you wearing one...

Man your fantasies are limitless. First it was women you were accusing of having extra marital sex just because they were pop singers. Now you have turned to me. What are you?

[Aarif]

Yes I see the difference. Is that a conclusive evidence that a particular pop star has been sleeping around non-mehram men?

Yes, it is for a person with common sense.. Unless you believe that a 30 plus years German pop star did not believe in enjoying pleasures of life considered normal in western society before she married your 60 years old Imam...

A simple answer. Morals! It is morally wrong to accuse anyone of sleeping with non-mehram men without any proof. Now lets hear your reasoning.

Yeah it would have been morally wrong to accuse anybody else. But here we are talking about a German pop star and not just anybody...

And if one is a pop singer you automatically conclude she has been screwing around other men.

You must be kidding me.. I clearly gave you tons of examples. In fact I am yet to come accross any western pop star without a wild reputation...

Why are your conclusions always based on likelihood? Why are they not based on facts? You are just shooting blanks I must say. Accusing a woman, whoever she may be, of something without knowing the facts and hard evidence is a grave sin. It is like eating your brothers flesh. You, sir, are a liar.

Conclusions are always based on certain known facts. And if you think that is not the case what proof you have got that your Imam is from the lineage of prophet??? The only person who knows the authenticity of your Imam for sure is his mother... But than unfortunately she does not know the authenticity of her husband... Do you have any concrete proof indicating that your Imam is from the progeny of prophet???

I am not shameless. It is you who takes pride in accusing other peoples women, be they daughters, wives or mothers, of immoral sexual acts without even knowing the facts knowing that in your court she will have to produce four witnesses to prove herself innocent. And you love to be the Judge.

See how cleverly you have started spinning this post. Exposing a German pop star ex-wife of your Imam is same as accusing all women... Anyways I do not take any pride in these kind of debates. But as long as you will try to twist the truth and fool around on this forum trying to cover up your Imam I will keep exposing you. Actually what I like is exposing your hypocracy more than anything else.

First it was women you were accusing of having extra marital sex just because they were pop singers.

I never accused them of having extra marital sex. Maybe now your concience is speaking the truth. Actually I was referring to their lives when they were unmarried pop singers...

Now you have turned to me.

No I did not. An Ismaili is the last thing that can turn me ON...

[pardesi]

Aarif,

I rest my case. Not because I have run out of arguments, I have actually better things to do. I have presented my argument and you have said whatever came to your mind. I will let the readers read the last two pages of this thread and decide for themselves who is right and who is an ass. There is only one way to find out if my Imam's lineage goes to Prophet Mohammad. Lets get some DNA samples of the Prophet and then we will get some from my Imam and settle this once and for all. I refuse to get down to your level, like you just did in your last post. Have a good day.

[Aarif]

Aarif,

I rest my case. Not because I have run out of arguments, I have actually better things to do. I have presented my argument and you have said whatever came to your mind. I will let the readers read the last two pages of this thread and decide for themselves who is right and who is an ass. There is only one way to find out if my Imam's lineage goes to Prophet Mohammad. Lets get some DNA samples of the Prophet and then we will get some from my Imam and settle this once and for all. I refuse to get down to your level, like you just did in your last post. Have a good day.

Pardesi,

If you had better things to do than you would not have replied to my posts in first place. In the above post also you are cleverly trying to put me down. Honestly I don't care what you think about me so it does not matter. Even I would like to rest the case...

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

Once again you show ignorance...has Wahabbism ben mentioned? what about Sunnism or Shiasm? or Umarism?...so?...zn

[znanwalla]

Areef,

You guys have not been able to answer most of our questions and stop your wilful boasting and croaking ! go back to your pit latrines and bask there in the stink....zn

[znanwalla]

Areef,

don't talking of manipulation....it does not sit well with you .....everyone knows you are the biggest spin masters and fabricateur of this time and of this forum.....you simply chase your own tails and go round and roun in circles, asking the same stupid questions and having no answers for our questions....and you think you are clever when you don't even know how dumb you are?...zn

[jawanmardan]

Pardesi;

With respect I disagree; Imamate is not based on anything as pedestrian as a DNA test or two. You either accept it or you don't.

Those who wish to promote anti-Isma'ili rhetoric are irrelevant. We should focus on fostering an enlightened future for Islam, which means working with the pluralistic, peaceful and moderate tariqahts whether they be Sunni, Shia, ibadi, or Sufi.

[anajmi]

Once again you show ignorance...has Wahabbism ben mentioned? what about Sunnism or Shiasm? or Umarism?...so?...zn

You are joking right? None of these are mentioned. Make a note of it you moron. Did they train to be this dumb?

[anajmi]

jawanmardan,

I hope you understand that accepting Imamate is different from accepting Aga Khan as the Imam.