Similarities between Khomeini & Burhanudin saab.

[accountability]

Daim ul islam is not a shia book. it is fatmid mustaali literature. It is written by Syedna Qazi Noman, who was a dai in imam hakim's period. Shias don't quote from Daim ul islam. There is so much ado about Daimul islam. You will be surprised to know, that Daim ul islam that jamat claim to pocess is not even in formal book form. They claim to have a compilation. But who knows about the authenticity of it.

Ismailis have Daim ul Islam in book, and it is published too. But our version of daim is quite different from ismailis.
The problem with our theology is, it is very secretive and there aren't any questions to be asked. All our rituals are based on heresay. Washeq namaz are not compulsory. Neither are they mentioned in daim or any other book. During the period different dais created additional nawafil namaz to thank for the days blessing. But that is all. Now it has become duty to pray washeq namaz. most of us do take it as fard namaz on that particular day. it is always good to pray as much as you can. But not praying additional prayer is not a sin.

For honesty sake, this should have been explained, but it does not. Similar is the case with urs of all dais and syedis. it is good to commemorate the good deeds of good people, there is nothing wrong. But to make it a neccessary ritual is wrong. every urs cost every jamat lot of money, which in turn is collected from us. This money could be well spent on welfare of our community members.

[ghulam muhammed]

bro gm

its also a fact that mostly ur posting try to bring out the negative of shia faith and are full of eulogies to the sunni school of thought.daim ul islam is a sacred book for most shias and nothing wrong in quoting from it

Bro Mutmaeen,

Once again you are looking at things from a shia/sunni perspective instead of looking at it from an Islamic pespective. I once again repeat that I dont believe in following a shia or a sunni school of thought if it in anyway goes against the tenets of Islam and becomes a cause for the division of the ummah. One has to follow the best of both. Islam is a religion of love, peace and compassion which has no place for hatred especially for the relatives of our Holy Prophet s.a.w.

If you think that my posts are anti-shia then it is because some so called shias are attacking the noble sahabas who are reverred and respected by majority of muslims and sunnis thereby attacking their very faith. No where on this forum will you find anyone abusing Moula Ali a.s. and as a matter of fact sunnis definately respect Him and accept Him as a khalifa whereas shias refuse to accept others as one of their khalifas. This is because the foundation of shia faith is based on their rejection of the other 3 khalifas. I dont want to go into the subject in depth as you are well aware of it.

So if at all someone doesnt want to accept the 3 khilafats then be it because faith cannot be thrust by force and it is a question of ones own imaan but to abuse them day in and day out is something which is not acceptable to any true muslim. How bad and sinful are these abuses is a subject which has been discussed at length on this forum.

Idol worshipping is haraam in the eyes of sunnis as well as shias but do they constantly shower laanats on the idol worshippers as they do for the sahabas and ummul mumeenin ?

[jamanpasand]

We have enough of this sunni/wahabi bullshit in the past. Because of this, some important contributors like porus etc. have stop visiting here. Therefore the only loser is this forum. My humble request to sunnis/wahabis to leave us alone and go somewhere else where there are no lannat to your three khalifas.

[mutmaeen]

isnt it paradoxical that while u bro gm are staunchly against laanats on sunni caliphs the reformist bohra masjids regularly send laanats on the 3 in udaipur on various occasions? how do u reconcile this? and if this is a bohra forum it implies that it believes in ismaili mustali shia faith which has nothing to do with the first 3 sunni caliphs?

[ozmujaheed]

Shias enemies are not Sunnis or the 3 Khalifas but their own fanatic extremistis who are contaminating their Shia faith and the faith of Imam Alis AS which concidently but not surprisingly is Rasulullah's faith.

It is quite convenient for the Mullas, Ayotollahs, Sayednas to have an easy target and go into Sunni bashing to divert publich faith away from reasoning and logic, vice versa it is easy for the Sunni Whabai Molvis to go into West and Shia bashing to divert from their won issues. It is even more amusing that the followers get tunnel focused and misled.

[Aqa Moula_Zindabad]

What do you think about Bukhari of Jama Masjid in Delhi India, one of the richest land owner in Delhi. where do you think he got his money

Why dont u guys start a reform movement against the Bukhari's and Khomeini's.....since u all have taken a free flag of being on true islam and fighting against unislamic practices.....pls all u zombies do u have balls to do some open reform against Bukhari and Khomeini or u guys r toooooooo personal / jealous against bohra administration

Can Ajgar write open letters to Bukhari
Can he stop him boarding a plane if he is late
Why dont u publish a chronicle against bukhari
Why dont u do conferences against Bukhari and Khomeini (since u claim ur reform movement to be international, held a conference in IRAN)
Can Mr Insaaf write to newspapers to expose Bukhari
Can u question huge wealth of these leaders
Can AZ dare open his mouth and curse them
Can u prepare ur next generation against them

Pls all u zombies wake up.....enough of ur nonsense against Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin (TUS) now there is a bright opportunity for a true reform.....can u do it......i m sure not

PIN DROP SILENCE

[Aqa Moula_Zindabad]

Mr. Insaaf

Pls can u throw some more light on the above statement.....Was sheikh Ahmad Ali raj controversial???? As i have alwayz heard praises for him in all ur posts and what GM is trying to say about Sheikh Ahmed ali Raj.....is there any controversy in his teachings as compared to the Holy Prophet

Note : My question is only for Mr Insaaf.....I request Pupplers like AZ and his henchmen to stay away from this as it diverts the topic.

U only reply what suits u

[Al Zulfiqar]

[quote="Aqa Moula_Zindabad
U only reply what suits u[/quote]

yes that absolutely applies to you. why havent u replied to my post where i have proved according to your own logic that the past 2 syednas are the biggest abusers? kem bolti bandh thai gayi???

instead of worrying about this forum, u worry about maalumat and your other chamchagiri sites where u wud never get the freedom that u enjoy here. incl. even to post abuses to those who disagree with you!

people like u and jayanti only come here to spread lies and slander and keep diverting any topic which criticises the syedna and his parasite family and lackeys, into frivolous issues in order to provoke and confuse others. this is typical of cowards and hypocrites who have no defense when faced with the truth and these are the lessons you have learnt from the shezaadas and amils who are trained in this art. when nothing works then they will resort to bullying, intimidation and fear. only you cant do that here, because this is not yr jammat and we are not yr abdes here.

all yr shouting aqa mola zindabad and ghanu jeevo has no effect on us, so stop wasting yr energy and time.

[accountability]

Ghulam Mohammed: As AQZ put it, there is lot of corruption in sunni theocracy too. Bukhari and Fazlur Rehman of Pakistan are just the faces. ohterwise all mullahs are same. wahabism lately has converted into a cult. Denying everyone everything. Butchering people, suicide bombers, cutting feet and hands and what not. In whole islamic history the noteriety wahabism has brought to islam is unmatchable.
wahabis have hijacked the whole religion, and converted into a cult. Bohras or shias and for that matter Khomeini did not convert his whole nation into a vengeful cult. Khomeini for the Ist time in history of islam created an islamic democracy. How perfect was it, that can be debated. But unlike saudis the bastion of wahabism, in iran there are elections, there are women parliameterians, more women are in universities in iran than even in western countries. women are participating in all walks of life. They are driving cars, buses etc.

[accountability]

Islam is a religion of love, peace and compassion

Hazrat umr sent a messenger to Iranian shah yazd gard, the terms were pretty "compassionate". They were, 1 embrace islam, 2 pay this much jazia 3 or we are coming. Fast forward this to 20th centruy A.D. American ambassoder to saudia calls on Saudi kind Fahad. He has a message, 1. Become christian evangelical, 2 give us petrol free, 3 or we are coming.
Pretty horrible.

Given the fact that saudis had to call pakistani and french troops to quell internal insurgency in early eighties, they would not stand a chance.

Tariq bin ziyad invaded spain, when spain has done nothing to provoke him. He travelled from morroco to spain just to conquer a nation who had done nothing to warrant it. After 500 years of muslim rule, when they finally left, there was not a single muslim left in spain. The grand mosque in cardoba stood in silence for 500 years, until allama iqbal opened it due to british protege.

The streets of baghdad were awash in blood during abassid time for how to pray namaz, should you do rafa den or not.

[East Africawalla]

Curruption is ripe in most of the communities therefore don't just target bohras.In terms of comparison Khomeini was arrogant , opiniated, screwed up millions of lives of Iranians in war with Iraq , took country backwards a few years