What happens when the syedna dies?

[stranger]

I dont know why you guys are laughing.

KaalaSaya . .really, you dont know ?

[accountability]

Muslim First, How are you doing, mashallah you write heartily, keep smiling.

Now to your above post, we do take history a bit differently than you do, we can both stick to our own versions there is no harm in it. I am pretty sure that none of our madrasa or lecture has ever taught to hate any group of people or incitement of any kind. It is not good to curse anyone, you know I do not concur any such thing. I hope bohras just overcome this practice, this practice is because of doctorinal and historical nature rather than any hatred towards any one. Problem with any religion is, they usually do not stand the blatant truth. To be a believer, one needs to fully subscribe to its authenticity however unauthentic it may be. Performing Hajj, we do perform hajj with mainstream, our nafaal worship may vary, which is absolutely allowed. There is no hard and fast rule to follow any calender. it is the symbolism and ritulas which are to be adhered to. Besides Ale Saud does not have a written contract with Allah to control it according to their whims. we are as much muslims as they are.
Black Saya, our calender is not claimed scientific, neither any other lunar calender. moon completes its orbit in approximately 29.53 days with respect to the sun, phases of moon. Religious calculations are not too scientific. so all lunar calenders are off. That is why sighting of moon is always variable.

[Al-Muizz]

I cannot talk to anyone in the community since I exclude myself from them where these issues are concerned. Neither can I talk to my in laws since they're the ones who harrasesd me in the first place about the card which I stood firm that I wouldnt get done.
Thats the reason i posted my problem on this forum.
It seems that everyone is just as clueless .Petty mudslinging seems to be more of the norm where everyone is waiting in the sidelines to attack each other. Instead of moving forward and have constructive debates, most posts take 2 steps backward.
A suggestion - why dont you'll ignore comments of the those moving from the sublime to ridiculous? It’s just a waste of time. And the end of the day, no point in loosing ones dignity of over those who do not have the maturity to endure a decent discussion.
I may be an outsider but i'm married to a bohra. And I've seen this happenening way too often.

C'on Needtobefair, you are married to a Bohri, by now you ought to know the way the system works! If you don't have a card, you'll be hassled when you go for ziarat etc, BUT you will NOT be stopped! It sounds like you already have a card, and your issue is the new card.....you can still use your old card!

Look, no one can force you, including your in laws or tobefair;) your wife:). If you are doing this for brownie points then you need to work it our with your spouse about the repurcussions of not having a new card. Obviously you don't follwo our cultures and traditions, so why even bother with such a minute issue like whether you have or not have a card?

[Muslim First]

Br AC
AS
I am doing very well under the circumstance.
Equipment in my body is functioning very well. So far no electronic or mich. hiccups(Alhamdo Lillah). New power supply gives me extended time away from home hook up and I can go out for few hours.

I will comment on Hajj in appropriate forum.

Wasalaam

[candela]

I don't know what the problem is?? Just divorce her or just find a new slave.. We are allowed to have up to 4 slaves and this way, you'll have more fruits to eat and less housemaids to pay If I were you, I would just get ride of your wife and the whole problem is gone.. And it will be a good punishment for your in laws, because It will be hard for there daughter to get married again..

That is such a creepy, crappy, typical-of-a-male-chavunist-pig thing to say.

Even if you were joking, it was in extremely bad taste

Yeah its message is confusing and it appears to be overstepping the bounds of decency. I think the admin should possibly remove it?

[Conscíous]

I'm just giving him more options so that he can exercises & preserve his freedom.. And honestly, bohra women are deficient and not worth the burden

needtobefair,
Don't give in man or you'll be screwed for life & the hereafter bro..

[needtobefair]

I'm a hindu woman married to a Bohra Man. It disgusts me with the way some of you'll think. A marriage is between a man and a woman ..period!And only handfull of you have tried to help, and the rest of you esp you Mr Boom ... makes things worse.
I'm trying to preserve my marriage without loosing my identity and you guys can pass nasty and cheap remarks. Its a pity. This forum, correct me if i'm wrong, is to progress without loosing your identites or letting someone wash it away by instilling fear in you for not peeing according to the rules laid out... But you'll seem so happy regressing and living in a shell, that when you have a bunch of guys - abdes and progressives both, trying to reach out to reach on a common platform.. all you can do is mock it.

Regarding the card - no.. I dont have one.. old or new! never did. i was harrased to get it made.. but i did not. dont agree with the concept.
My question is.. with the new Dai.. will it be a problem for my husband. he has his card made. I accompany him to the mosque maybe twice a year. thts all. i was told that by me not getting that card.. the whole family is at risk of being thrown out.
If you'll have valuable answers.. it'll be great. If not.. ill take it as it comes.

[Conscíous]

HAha.. another hindu convert.. please don't bee disgusted,, I'm just being honest dear.. this is how bohra men look at there women.. They say nice words and always talk good about them but if you see how the men are treating their women, you would have agreed with me ..
Why do you think "most" of the bohra women are unfit, obese, aging "more faster then normal women" and have lots of health issues at such a young age huh??

[stranger]

very well said Mustafa bhai.

[ozmujaheed]

Ntbf it is encouraging that as a fringe convert you are resisting a card system when thousands of abdes have blindly succumbed

I think you have to right to oppose it as you do not know the purpose of the card, its privacy issues

However you will most likely fail as the effort will be too much and your husband if born a bohra will wilt

Your data will be accessible by one of the most corrupt and manipulative cult

My guess is Mufadal era will be more tyranical than burhanuddin. Why his sons have been brought up with extravagance and arrogance and least fear of Islamic values

[needtobefair]

Thanks Guys! esp mustafanalwalla, ozmujaheed and the rest who have been understanding.

[khanbadshah]

allahs lanat who made this site...totall fraud..this site shuld b kicked out from net

[Conscíous]

to cite a personal example, my wife is pretty headstrong herself (almost like you) and there were certain things like female circumcision which she said no to( So you have tried to encourage her to this bestiality & savage ritual ?? ) , but agreed to other things like giving misaaq, doing the nikaah, converting etc. but that was again, more to maintain peace in the house and family,( So she is a fake muslim huh ?? just like your friend "needtobefair" ?? ) but then, in the end, you too, will just need to weigh the 2 issues, a simple card v/s heartache for everyone at home, but again, the final decision is yours.

hypocrite is what you are..

[Biradar]

I perhaps mentioned my experience with the "card". I did not want one but my parents just filled out the form for me, found an old picture and got me the card anyway. When the drive to move to the new system was being made I simply ignored the emails, phone calls and requests by the local e-jamaat coordinator to get the new card.

One night while on a camping trip I threw the old card on the fire and burnt it. To be honest, no one has bothered me since. I have not been harassed and neither has my family been in any sort of trouble. The mullahs leave you alone if you do not become a thorn in their sides. In fact, I have rather cordial relations with the local Amil. However, my experience might not be typical. Things might be different in India or in large jamaats in the US. I know there can be quite a bit of pressure in places like LA, for example. So it depends on your situation.

[ozmujaheed]

Khan what a tool

If you can't stand this site

Try this Google dawoodi bohras and let me know which comes up first

You could start up a new mufi fund and pay Google to raise your sort order

Or ask your mojiza zada to curse the collapse of Google

[accountability]

Biradar is right, Carrying card is not so essential. you only require the card if you are going for ziarat or some kind of personal requirement. No body harasses any one on not carrying card. if your husband has the card it is sufficient.
Look so far as my experiencce with Muffadal Bhai saheb is concerned, it was pleasant. I only met him once. He was not at all intimidating. Syedna saheb was visiting toronto, one of my relative did not have beard, so he was not allowed to do salam. I talked to muffadal bhai saheb with him, he was not angry or intimidating. though he emphasized on growing beard, as he said it was maula's farman, but in the end he let him do the salam that too immediately.
one of our relative in dubai, he has a close ties with muffadal bhai saheb has all the good words for him that he is simple and kind.
Dont be so afraid, all this talk of intimidation and coercion may be a bit exagrating. The only thing is if they want money and you dont give it to them then they flex muscle and become threatening. Otherwise socially they are very accomodative. I have friends who are married to non bohras, one lady she comes to our jamat , her husband does not, no one says anything. I would say relax, we welcome you in our community, if you want to be a practicing bohra, entirely upon you, if not, again your choice.