Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Masoom Sehrai
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Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Masoom Sehrai » Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:03 pm

There is a news/rumor in town that Mazoon Sahib has won the court case of Saify Mahal's Claim in some of the courts in Bombay in recent days.
Does any one knows any details about this.
Also is there any connection between this and the purchase of "Cama House".
Can anyone give any authentic reference to this for the benefit of the 'Community'.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by mumineen » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:29 pm

Transmitted from Karachi. The author of the original text is from Mumbai. For privacy reasons, we wish to protect the originator.

DAWAT E HADIYAH'S IS DIVIDED IN TWO

Based on the recent Saify Mahal news, Estates of the Dawat E Hadiyah is being divided in two parts, one for Aqa moula and Second for Mazon Saheb Khozema Bhaisaheb. Saify Mahal and Badri Mahal will be given to Khozema Bhai Saheb. The new Burhani Mahal (being bought from Cama family in 108-crores) will become the place for Aqa Moula and Shezadas in coming months. Badri Mahal is being renovated removing all offices to hand over to Mazoon Saheb in few months.

Why this is being done?
Reason is that the Late Sayedna Taher Safuddin Saheb had promised in writing to make Khozema Bhai Saheb the 53rd Daiul Mutlaq. Becuase of this written document, Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb is unable to do NUS to any one else. He was waiting for the early death of Khozema Saheb (cancer), but it appears that Khozema Saheb may survive longer than the Sayedna and further wait may not help any one. The power struggle was going on for the last many years and was becoming severe in the last few years. Both parties were ready for the show down but some how compromise formula was found out and both parties agreed to the solution in writing. The Vasiyat of Late Sayedna was bought over and sold in Crores of rupees.

One can guess easily why the Shilo fitre rate has gone up to $19 when the other Muslims are paying only $8 and vajebats in thousands and our 95-years old Aqa Moula has to travel Africa, Dubai and Kuwait again and again!

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by xnoori » Tue Nov 09, 2004 7:50 am

So, Mazoon sahib has given up his claim to the throne for money?

Should we expect a formal announcement of the intended 53rd dai soon?

I hope this doesn't lead to a new wave of visits and ziyafats by the dai-in-waiting!

We are all broke :(

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Hozefa » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:36 am

Any updates in this regard ?

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:00 pm

Huzefa bhai you have ressurected this topic at the right time, so this means that there was already a split in the community for past decade, and Cama House has been bought by Qasre Burhani and Kothar for their operations.
So my questions are:
1.If people within the Dawat Organization already knew about this split, why do they all look surprised and shocked with the turn of events?
2. According to the article of Mumineen brother, he has mentioned about a letter from Syedna Taher Saifuddin conferring Nuss on SKQ saheb?
3. why are they running a propoganda against SKQ when they knew that he was the rightful successor?
4. If Saify Mahal and Badri Mahal are under SKQ's name, then why is he granting them time to stay on his properties?
5. And if he has won the case for the will, than why is MS compelling against him!

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by M Taha » Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:35 pm

may SKQ soon reside in saify mahal, and kick muffy to dharawi jhopadpatti...Ameen

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:10 pm

Muffy deserves his place in the gutters of Dharavi.....lootero.....dhongi....magarmach na aansu....
Syedna Khuzema ni Shaan khabar pari rahi che, anney aa muntafeqeen ni jali rai che,
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
Aa su ajab shaan batawi rahya che moula, aa mumineen par mohabat anney rehmat warsawi rahya che, anney dhongi muffy dawedar laanat and nafrat peda karey che galich!

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:31 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Cama House has been bought by Qasre Burhani and Kothar for their operations.
The deal was called off at the last moment as it got them negative publicity. The property was then sold off to some Hindu builder.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Bori85 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:04 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Muffy deserves his place in the gutters of Dharavi.....lootero.....dhongi....magarmach na aansu....
Syedna Khuzema ni Shaan khabar pari rahi che, anney aa muntafeqeen ni jali rai che,
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
Aa su ajab shaan batawi rahya che moula, aa mumineen par mohabat anney rehmat warsawi rahya che, anney dhongi muffy dawedar laanat and nafrat peda karey che galich!
Oh my God! you are sounding same like the "abde's" , you have started the same nonsense of calling moula zindabad and niraali shaan, etc etc, Really! we have to see this drama again in SKQ camp also?

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by M Taha » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:46 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Muffy deserves his place in the gutters of Dharavi.....lootero.....dhongi....magarmach na aansu....
Syedna Khuzema ni Shaan khabar pari rahi che, anney aa muntafeqeen ni jali rai che,
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
Aa su ajab shaan batawi rahya che moula, aa mumineen par mohabat anney rehmat warsawi rahya che, anney dhongi muffy dawedar laanat and nafrat peda karey che galich!
bhai hold it, this frenzy is not required in 2014.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Qutbi-Hero » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:51 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Muffy deserves his place in the gutters of Dharavi.....lootero.....dhongi....magarmach na aansu....
Syedna Khuzema ni Shaan khabar pari rahi che, anney aa muntafeqeen ni jali rai che,
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
Aa su ajab shaan batawi rahya che moula, aa mumineen par mohabat anney rehmat warsawi rahya che, anney dhongi muffy dawedar laanat and nafrat peda karey che galich!
Sorry Bro, but I agree with the dude above... we shouldn't go down the same path and make the same mistakes as before!

Lets not get carried away and become "Maniacs" like the Muffy Mob - we should do our best to keep the feet of SKQ firmly on the ground, instead of treating him like some sort of Hollywood celebrity... otherwise he might start believing the hype, and turn in to ANOTHER Mad Money-Grabber (who thinks we are supposed to serve him, not him being supposed to serve us!)!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc[/youtube]

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by think » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:41 pm

will this mean that again we are going to have "bewe moula?
secondly the women folks have gone crazy cursing skq. do they even know that they are inviting Allah's curse on them by cursing someone they do not no anything about and doing it just because sms said so.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by voice » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:54 pm

Bori85 wrote:
Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Muffy deserves his place in the gutters of Dharavi.....lootero.....dhongi....magarmach na aansu....
Syedna Khuzema ni Shaan khabar pari rahi che, anney aa muntafeqeen ni jali rai che,
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
KHOZEMA QUTBUDDIN MOULA ZINDABAD
Aa su ajab shaan batawi rahya che moula, aa mumineen par mohabat anney rehmat warsawi rahya che, anney dhongi muffy dawedar laanat and nafrat peda karey che galich!
Oh my God! you are sounding same like the "abde's" , you have started the same nonsense of calling moula zindabad and niraali shaan, etc etc, Really! we have to see this drama again in SKQ camp also?
This sort of drama totally unacceptable.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by M Taha » Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:01 pm

there is nothing wrong to show love for leader, infact all over world people loves their leader, but people need to know their limits.

khomeini, agha khan, asaddin owaisi, kejriwal all have good following.

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Unread post by think » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:48 am

it is said, a happy man is a man of wisdom. Is S.M.s. a happy man?

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:14 am

There is a metaphor that " Loha lohey ko kath tha hain", loha garam hain, agar muffy ke log aisi language use kar rahey hain, humko bhi aisi language se hi unko samjhana padega, jab jang chir hee gayi hain toh kis baat ki chupam chupai. I am supporting SKQ, there are several reasons for that. and i believe each and every word of SKQ, because whenever i have done arzis to him he has always heard and did dua for me, not like Muffy paiso walo ki ziyafat karwa ke arzi sunta hain.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:29 am

As written by some one on this thread and claimed by different others that Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA wrote a letter conferring nass on KQ then why is he hiding it.

If he is so worried about mumineen as he mentioned this in the reply to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, then what is stopping him to bring that letter and save people from this crisis of faith.

I am not writing this in one sided favour but for the betterment of the community. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS showed the authentic sources but KQ has not yet showed it to people yet and is interacting through video sessions and his sons are giving some roadside reasons for people to believe them.

If there is a letter, bring it out and claim the seat of Dai in proper way and not by means of absurd reasoning.

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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by M Taha » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:59 am

true_bohra wrote:As written by some one on this thread and claimed by different others that Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA wrote a letter conferring nass on KQ then why is he hiding it.

If he is so worried about mumineen as he mentioned this in the reply to Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, then what is stopping him to bring that letter and save people from this crisis of faith.

I am not writing this in one sided favour but for the betterment of the community. Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS showed the authentic sources but KQ has not yet showed it to people yet and is interacting through video sessions and his sons are giving some roadside reasons for people to believe them.

If there is a letter, bring it out and claim the seat of Dai in proper way and not by means of absurd reasoning.
it seems you are not just blind by heart, but also by physical eyes.

http://fatemidawat.com/evidence-of-nass/

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:33 am

@ M Taha or whosoever you are:

You are talking about the evidences and proofs. Can you tell me in any of the pages, is it explicitly written that KQ will be a Dai or a nass is being conferred upon him.

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Unread post by M Taha » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:46 am

true_bohra wrote:@ M Taha or whosoever you are:

You are talking about the evidences and proofs. Can you tell me in any of the pages, is it explicitly written that KQ will be a Dai or a nass is being conferred upon him.
MS has any explicit evidence? NO

Mazoon is defacto next dai if there is no proof of nass by any party.

Mazoon word and action is far credible then mad man muffy.

imam Ali had any proofs of being wasi of rasulullah(s) in black and white? NO

but his life and his action was evidence he must be sucessor, but most denied it.

just like now, how most are after money and power and not HAQ.
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Re: Court Case of Saify Mahal in Bombay

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:48 am

Arrey true bohra bhai.....so u mean to say Muffy has presented authentic source of information, he did not even remember the date on which Moula did Nass on him (he should have atleast studied it properly but no he was too busy in ayashi), he was hesitating and looked nervous when he did Zikr of it, he brought some old rustic diary and reading word to word what seem to be fabricated story and in Hazrat of Aqa Burhanuddin Moula (RA) why were people who were just khidmatguzars present as witness as compared to several hudoods from the family were absent, all these three witnesses have passed away (murhoom). So Moula did not trust any of his family members for bearing as witness to this conferring of nass. True_Bohra Muffy tamari lai rahyo che anney tamey aapi rahya cho.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:51 am

M_taha bhai is right if there is no evidence from any side than ala kule haal by defacto Mazoon Ul Mutlaq is the next Dai ul Mutlaq, but sons of Aqa Burhanuddin cannot digest it, because their ego is bigger than Allah(SWT) it seems.

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:17 am

@akhtiar wahid:

You are no one to say whom should Syedna Muqaddas RA keep witness to the nass. It was his right and he did it. If you cant believe in that diary page entry, its your choice but I hope you wont deny signature of Syedna Muqaddas RA.

Yes the three wintess are dead but one is still alive. Miyasaheb Shk Abdul Husain Al Yamani, (Syedna Muqaddas RA secretary for all his life). Syedna Muqaddas RA had told him in the year 1415 H in Karachi about nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.

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Unread post by M Taha » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:17 am

true_bohra wrote:@akhtiar wahid:

You are no one to say whom should Syedna Muqaddas RA keep witness to the nass. It was his right and he did it. If you cant believe in that diary page entry, its your choice but I hope you wont deny signature of Syedna Muqaddas RA.

Yes the three wintess are dead but one is still alive. Miyasaheb Shk Abdul Husain Al Yamani, (Syedna Muqaddas RA secretary for all his life). Syedna Muqaddas RA had told him in the year 1415 H in Karachi about nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.
if there was any such nass, why mazoon and mukasir was not made witness of such important event?

arent they on most highest post after DAI?

are you telling me secratery of syedna was more credible and trusted then mazoon or mukasir sahab?
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Unread post by M Taha » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:19 am

Mazoon and Mukasir were treated all these years like they are some out caste people, Mazoon was not even given respect, and Mukasir is in lime light just now after death of SMB, to show he is on MS side.

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:26 am

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You are no one to say whom should Syedna Muqaddas RA keep witness to the nass. 
Exactly
A Unkown Hindu has already come forward and testified that SMB told him in his dream that he did NUSS on SMS case closed, On further investigation this Hindu dream was verified by Baba Ramdev, Narendra Modi, Raj Thackrey, Shivraj Patil WHAT MORE YOU GUYS WANT.

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Unread post by MMH » Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:47 am

SBM wrote:

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You are no one to say whom should Syedna Muqaddas RA keep witness to the nass. 
Exactly
A Unkown Hindu has already come forward and testified that SMB told him in his dream that he did NUSS on SMS case closed, On further investigation this Hindu dream was verified by Baba Ramdev, Narendra Modi, Raj Thackrey, Shivraj Patil WHAT MORE YOU GUYS WANT.

and how do Baba Ramdev, Narendra Modi, Raj Thackrey, Shivraj Patil qualify to interpret the Hindu man's dream? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:03 am

is every nass in history done in presence of mazoon and mukasir???

is it a compulsary condition for nass??

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:12 am

true_bohra wrote:is every nass in history done in presence of mazoon and mukasir???

is it a compulsary condition for nass??
And when the last NUSS verified by dream of an unkown person of Non-Bohra faith?

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Unread post by M Taha » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:14 am

true_bohra wrote:is every nass in history done in presence of mazoon and mukasir???

is it a compulsary condition for nass??
no it is not cumpolsary, but are you telling me secretary of syedna is more reliable then his mazoon whos name was taken in misaaq for 50 years?