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Dear Hafeez,<br>Your an insult to intellegence in general.<p>Think about what your saying for once.<p>The story of Maulana Ali's birth is taken from Bihar Anwar...the same book that records the physical and spirtual ascension of the Prophet.<p>You cannot just pick and choose.<br>

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Qiyam,<p>Sure I can!<br>It is called Rationalizing out the Insanity!<p>Now if you did that:<br>The KOTHARI Bohra Religion and sunni-Wahabi religions would CEASE to EXIST.<p>It EXISTS because of people like you who REFUSE to RATIONALIZE but would rather use dumb cliches!

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Dear Hafeez,<br>Oh...please explain you form of "rationalization". How your able to accept the story of Maulana's birth from Bihar Anwar yet not the story of the Prophet's ascension from Bihar Anwar.<p>If I can't believe the Prophetic ascension because it is irrational...why can't I apply the same application to the story of Maulana's birth??? They are the same source of irrationality, according to you!!!<p>Your right...this is the rationalization of the insane.<p>

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Books such as the Bihar Anwar must be interpreted aswell. remember, we must use our intellect to rationalize our beliefs. <p>In Ismailism, the meraj was a SPIRITUAL journey NOT a physical journey.<p>But, then again, you practice Kothar Bohriism not Ismailism, so this would not apply to you.

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Nice try Nizari...but Imam Jafar Sadiq did not write in allegorical wording like Allah has done in the Quran.<p>And Nizar...you practice Agha Khannism..not anything remote to what Imam Ismail practiced.

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Since we are talking about rational beliefs.<p>An honest look at the Bohra religion shows that it is built upon iffy propositions. The fact is that the Bohra Imam has been missing for 800 years. The Bohra's have basically forsaken the most fundamental concept of Shia Islam - the Imamat.<p>And WITHOUT the Imamat, there can be NO Islam.

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You are one to talk about Imam Jafar Sadiq!<p>Does anything the Bohras practice today have to do with the doctrine of Imamat as described by Imam Jafar Sadiq? He said that Islam centered around the Imamat. And that Imamat would continue until the end of time.<p>AND YOU HAVE NONE! So don't even say that your faith resembles anything close to what Ismail and Jafar Sadiq preached!<p>The Nizari Ismaili Imam is the only person today that has a legitimate claim on the Imamat from Ali. <p>Everytime there was a split, the other line of imams BECAME EXTINCT WITHIN 5 generations. (eg. Twelvers, Bohras,) If we were wrong, our Imam would not be with us right now.

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Dear Nizari,<br>Please don't write as though you have a clue about the teachings of the Imam Jafar Sadiq. He said to center around the Imam...because the Imam would teach you the sunnah of the PROPHET. No Imam taught different from the next or preceding...except in the Nizari branch.<p>And Nizari...don't mock the ghaybat of the Imam...remember twice in Nizari Imamate...the Nizari Imam went into ghaybat for over 200 years. Your remarks are like the Twelvers who mock the Ismailis went Imam Ismail went into ghaybat. Your remarks are like the Saljuqs who mock the Nizaris went your Imam Hadi went into ghaybat.<p>Think alittle about what you write.

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"Everytime there was a split, the other line of imams BECAME EXTINCT WITHIN 5 generations. (eg. Twelvers, Bohras,) If we were wrong, our Imam would not be with us right now."<p>---Actually, when the Mustali and Nizari split...the Nizari Imam went into ghaybat for 200 years. Hassan Sabah led the Nizaris in Alamut. So your theory doesn't hold water. And your last statement doesn't prove anything...if I proclaimed Imamate and all bohras followed me...does that make it right?

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Imam Jafar Sadiq spoke about following the authoritative teaching of the Imam of the time. <p>This is the Sunnah in its essence applied to the changing times and circumstances.<p>You guys don't follow Jafar Sadiq at all. Did he ever preach bowing and KISSING THE FEET of the Dai?<p>And as for the conealment of the Imam. <br>Imams Wafi Ahmad through Razi Abdulla were in hiding for 200 at the most.<p>Imams Hadi through Qahir were in hiding for 200 years at the most.<p>The bohra imam has been hiding for 800+ years! Thats 4 times more than the concealment periods of any other imams of the past!<p>And plus, majority of scholars say the a daughter was born to imam Aamir, not a son. So there goes your fictional imamat down the tube. Your line went extinct just like the Twelver line.

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The Present Imam didnt claim Imamat out of the blue. He was designated Imam by his predecessor.<p>you dont even have a claimant to the imamat!

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Dear Nizari,<br>But his forefathers did...so his word is no different. Our Imam is in ghaybat...no bohra questions this.<p>"Imam Jafar Sadiq spoke about following the authoritative teaching of the Imam of the time."<p>---Yes the authority to teach the sunnah of the Prophet..not of the Imam. Don't post half the info.<p>"This is the Sunnah in its essence applied to the changing times and circumstances."<p>--No...it was the sunnah of the Prophet, adjusted to perform that sunnah in that time. Not changing the sunnah act altogether. Imam as'Sadiq prayed salat like the Prophet, ate the same foods types like the Prophet, etc.<p>"You guys don't follow Jafar Sadiq at all. Did he ever preach bowing and KISSING THE FEET of the Dai?"<p>---Yes he did...if fact most of the hadith have the transmitters saying they would sacrifice themselves and their families for the Imam.<p>"The bohra imam has been hiding for 800+ years! Thats 4 times more than the concealment periods of any other imams of the past!"<p>---Does it make a difference between 800 and 200 years. In the first two times...wasn't it Allah's decision to hide the Imams for 200 years...why cannot Allah hide the Imam for 800 years. Allah is not time bound and does as he wishes.<p>"And plus, majority of scholars say the a daughter was born to imam Aamir, not a son. So there goes your fictional imamat down the tube. Your line went extinct just like the Twelver line."<p>---Actually, none...not even Nizari scholars say that...so you have lied yet again.

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Gud,<p>No I do not take everything literally, like the fact about me been deep inside your ass - that is purely esoteric.<p>Gora,<p>No one else was born in the Kaaba because no one else's mother felt the pain of labor in the vicinity of the kaaba.<p>And also hazrat ali was not literally born inside the kaaba, he esoterically born inside the kaaba (whatever that means!!)<p>Considering the fact that you guys are adults, you guys can pretty much bullshit as much as I can.<p>Hey, by the way how does an Ismaili kiss the HI's ass esoterically?