Are Abde Syedna Bohras doing Shirk?

[progpigs]

@ozmujaheed

when the 9lakh people dun bother thn y r u there to bother????

did any 1 FORCE you to watch the transmission?? and if u did watch... did any of the abdes ask for ur OPINION & VIEWS???

do you know wat is one termed by the holy prophet when he/she utters widout being asked or anything??

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@ozmujaheed

when the 9lakh people dun bother thn y r u there to bother????did any 1 FORCE you to watch the transmission?? and if u did watch... did any of the abdes ask for ur OPINION & VIEWS???

do you know wat is one termed by the holy prophet when he/she utters widout being asked or anything??

these 9 lakh people are helpless and they do not have any forum to object.. majority of them dont have access to internet nor they know english . and in small towns local amil do force them to come and watch these transmission.but it is matter of time when these public raise their voices. i am also a typical bohra (abde , if u like) but enough is enough. upar se sab shaanti aur khushhaali nazar aa rahi he lekin under jwala mukhi dhadak raha he.

[progpigs]

@ozmujaheed

when the 9lakh people dun bother thn y r u there to bother????did any 1 FORCE you to watch the transmission?? and if u did watch... did any of the abdes ask for ur OPINION & VIEWS???

do you know wat is one termed by the holy prophet when he/she utters widout being asked or anything??

these 9 lakh people are helpless and they do not have any forum to object.. majority of them dont have access to internet nor they know english . and in small towns local amil do force them to come and watch these transmission.but it is matter of time when these public raise their voices. i am also a typical bohra (abde , if u like) but enough is enough. upar se sab shaanti aur khushhaali nazar aa rahi he lekin under jwala mukhi dhadak raha he.

if ur a so called frustrated and need help like the reformers who are none the less munafiq and mushriq then plz get out of our community!! we are in peace under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS)

[Tariq]

Bigger: My point does not refute your post and I also believe we require guidance and shafa’at of Mohammed (PBUH) and Aale Mohammed (AS). The point, however, that I try to make is guidance should be in accordance to the ways of Islam – and if the very fundamentals of Islam are not applied or practiced then how is this guidance at all? The nature of the question asked demands a well thought answer – I may be giving my fingers some exercise – but the weight of this question demands an intellectual answer of the highest rigor. Amir-Ul-Mumineen tells us that “no knowledge is superior to deep thinking and prudence”. He also tells us that “an ignorant person will always overdo a thing or neglect it totally” so neglect not my answers but find arguments that are fitting.

Profastian: If you read the extensive literature surrounding the topic of the Day of Judgement then you will enlighten yourself as to the proceedings of this day of reckoning. “That day would be such that Allah would collect on it the anteriors and the posteriors, to stand in obedience for exaction of accounts and for award of recompense for deeds. Sweat would flow upto their mouths like reins while the earth would be trembling under them” (Maulana Ali AS). This is what will happen on the day of judgement and I will be surprised ‘if we don’t believe in the same thing’.

Murtuza 2152: You write that the Will of Allah is the Will of the Dai and that the Will of the Dai is the Will of Allah. Created beings can only claim to be following the Will of Allah. The Will of Allah is in Islam and it is by following Islam we are following the Will of Allah. The Will of Allah knows no limitations because he has the attribute of being eternal – being before, during and after the metaphysical concept of time which He Himself hath created. It is our free will that determines whether we shall submit to this Will or not but this free will can never be compared to that of the Eternal Lord and it is certainly not the same because he had bestowed this blessing (of free will) upon us in the first place! No messenger or Imam that has ever set foot on this earth has claimed that His Will is equal to that of Allah’s - having a will of this magnitude demands that you have a knowledge and understanding of quite literally all things – both unseen and seen. The Glorious Verse of the Throne testifies to this: “He knoweth What (appeareth to His creatures As) Before or After or Behind them. Nor shall they compass Aught of his knowledge Except as He willeth”. I would therefore phrase your sentence and choose your words very carefully. Be ready to critique your own answers.

Anajmi/Al-Zulfikar: You too readily brand people ‘kufrs’ and ‘mushriqs’. This is a heavy word to use if you but knew.

Everybody: You should respect each other more on this forum. “Invite all to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in the ways that are best and most gracious…if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient” (16:125-126).

[Jamali]

Brother Tariq,

A great post. The power of objective analysis isn't being used in the community. Its more of blind faith and despite a knowledgeable post by you the fanatics will continue to critic it as they hate to be proven wrong. The sad part of the whole issue is that children at a very young age are being brainwashed and turned into fanatics. For some its fear of excommunication and the ability to socialize. People dont realise that these are worldly issues and that life doesnt end if you step out of the community. The bottom line is people have forgotten that it is ALmighty Allah who is the creator of the universes and fellow human beings and it is HE and HE ALONE that needs to be worshipped. A very sad state of affairs.....

[ozmujaheed]

Abde prog so are you ashamed of what abdes were displaying in the relay...

for a muslim to stay silent when kufr and shirk is being done is a bigger sin ?

[progpigs]

Abde prog so are you ashamed of what abdes were displaying in the relay...

who said we are ASHAMED.... you shameless creaturE?

[ozmujaheed]

progpig are my words like bitter pills !

Let me add now you have a tasbeeh "Ya Moaula Mohamed" but sadly it is not the Great Prophet..did you listen to the Procession comentary a foolish Abde was so overcome and drunk with shirk he was bleating such nonsense...

I am using these crude language because there is no other way to wake you fools up as you slip into almost satanic practises...

Coconut burried, goat slaughtered near a foundation stone..my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.

[profastian]

progpig are my words like bitter pills !

Let me add now you have a tasbeeh "Ya Moaula Mohamed" but sadly it is not the Great Prophet..did you listen to the Procession comentary a foolish Abde was so overcome and drunk with shirk he was bleating such nonsense...

I am using these crude language because there is no other way to wake you fools up as you slip into almost satanic practises...

Coconut burried, goat slaughtered near a foundation stone..my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.

Slaughtering of millions of goat after Haj. ..my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.
People running between Safah and marwa...my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.
Millions of people shaving their heads like hindus...my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.
Millions of people throwing pebbles at a stone......my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.
Millions of people revolving around a stone house(suspiciouly pagan).....my Allah what has happened after 1400 years ! We have gone back to Pharoh times.

[ozmujaheed]

Prog stop twisting the Hajj slaughtering meat is packed and sent to needy causes

Your goat was dragged down a foundation pit and slaughtered..what is Islamic about it it was more like pagan blood sacrifice ritual...

[porus]

To be sure, all these rituals hark back to pre-Islamic period. However, not one of them can be remotely mistaken for worship of a mere human.

In Islam معبود is Allah alone. For abdes, Sayedna too is معبود , thus inviting the charge of shirk.