Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Also you br. honest, let's work together. How can I help you here in the US.

Dear br. sulamani. Take time to check out the following threads under Bohras and Reform called: "in response to you spot" and "reply to serendipity". As your sister, I am in solidarity with you. So write to me at: safina@myownemail.com

Re: "the Imam of our times getting shot where the sun don't shine." Don't you SEE, my dear anajmi? Since you are the biggest, most flaming rear-end around YOU would draw all the fire!! :p

Re: your last point tahir, "I do not agree to even this one: 'one is born a human being and dies a human being'...If I was to phrase this sentence I wud have used the word 'homo sapien' instead of 'human' (unless the connotation is purely biological) ....one is never born human but they become so by ...

Re: your statement "I have absolute faith in Allah's plan and I know the true Imam will come whenever it is Allah's plan." We're in TOTAL agreement about this much; so unless you insist on being a typical male a-hole who always has to HAVE THE LAST WORD (as I suspect you do;)) let's just agree to ...

Maybe I shouldn't be fooled by your "masquerade" as a WAHABI, anaj

It's really touching to see you bros "hanging together" now so sweetly...the good, the bad, the straight, and the gay, EH?

Nevertheless for NON-bros there's an insurmountable difference between the "macho posturing and disregard for life" of your imams bush/bin laden, and the submission to Allah ...

JC, No one's denying it's from Ali and Hussain. You need to go back & read what I actually SAID on my previous posts, before you comment.

But while I have you "on the line" let me address your frequent disparagement of Hurat-ul-Malika. By Allah's grace she became HUJJA, dawat's highest honor ...

Re: emails rec'd telling me Imam must be direct descendant of tayyib in the flesh. So have bohras all become "literalists" now? I thought only QURAN has literal meaning! ;)

But seriously, if anyone can produce documents saying descent is ONLY by "way of the loins" and NOT by Nass, please do.

Re: anajmi saying "serendipity, No I'd prefer [Imam] stood up and said 'Here I am...do not be worried anymore'."

Is this a SET-UP, bro, or do I actually hear a still small voice being "SINCERE" instead of sarcastic for a change??

Giving you the benefit of the doubt for just a MOMENT, may I ...

The sort of discussion you propose is legitimate and welcome, Spot. We can always resort to email if there's too much flak or interference here!

Yes, I know you'd PREFER if he just stood up and said "here I am...shoot me", just like your "imam" (zarqawi), who's standing right out in the open, in plain sight! :D

Have you ever considered how much you have IN COMMON with Burhanuddin's boys? The only thing that impresses you is power, money ...

That's great, I'm glad you're aware about the history Spot...Yes there's no denying the years that were spent in Africa after the start of satr. There was always considerable commerce between east Africa and the Arabian peninsula, and there's your clue. Hafizi Egypt (and later Saladin's dynasty ...

Dear brothers. On my thread I tried to explain how the Tayyibi Imamate has actually continued to the present. The transmission of Nass has been SEAMLESS and IN ACCORDANCE with the honorable standards of Imamate that have descended to us through Muhammad ibn Ismail. Yes, we are in solidarity with ...

RE: Spot saying to me, "Serendipity, I gather you follow another line of imamate other than the later Fatimi Imams. But since you mention muhammad ibn ismail, I think you are not an ithna ashari or zaydi. The obvious answer is that you are an agha khani ismaili, seeing as you believe in the presence ...

Hey dudes, what's the DEAL with this business of being dressed all "IN WHITE"? Surely not something I said! Is it some secret fetish of yours...maybe CROSS-DRESSING? (Ha ha, what do you THINK JC?) Or maybe you got this real bad thing for VIRGIN WHITE Western-style bridal gowns? IS THAT perhaps how ...

Dear Porus,

I AM lowly and I SHOULDN'T sound off AT ALL! Some of those who know me say it's the "FRAILTY of my nature"...but I guess Allah put that passion in my nature for a reason. ;)

Although I come at it from a DIFFERENT ANGLE than you Reformists, it's hard for me to tolerate our ...

DEAR JC, I have to admit I like your thought BEST on this board (and no, I am NOT gay, I am a woman)! But where you say "Bohras seem to have mixed Imamat with Daism. Dai constantly says he is not only Dai but Imam has made him sit on his seat too. He implies that he is more than Dai, says he is ...

Mark Twain wrote in his Letters to the Earth:

"Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion - several of them! He is the only animal that loves his neighbour as himself, and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has ...

Humsafar, you idiot!! I facetiously said SO-CALLED "Godless" Left. My point was CLEARLY the irony of CATHOLIC (or if you prefer, Fascist) Franco needing MUSLIMS to do his dirty work!! My personal sympathies in that conflict were all with the P.O.U.M. But if you can't find anything better to do than ...

Dear Saif Re: "When the Christians found the power of the Muslims they started thinking of strategies to break this power. So they started sending alcohol and cigarettes to Spain free of cost. This technique of the west worked out and it started weakening the faith of the Muslims in particular the ...

Re: "You may feel you have a deep and spiritual relation with the Imam however such feelings do not hold any meaning for others, unless they experience it for themselves. Most people will find it hard to philosophize in the face of social adversity. As someone has said before its no use teaching ...

Regarding H's remark: "...reformists have no pretensions to ALTRUISM or even extra-worldly spiritualism."

Should they not then at least HONOR the ideals that supposedly DEFINE who they are?? I find a distinct LACK of such respect in you, as well as DISBELIEF - "excused" by you on the grounds that ...

Hey bud...for one who acts so "pollyanna" about not ridiculing or throwing dirt at others, you sure love to dish it out!! You are AS VESTED in the battle for people, property, masjids, budgets, and PR propaganda, as your sinister opponents. It's just a good ol' fashioned corporate power struggle, so ...

No desparation at all, bro...you're the one who takes himself far too seriously (ALWAYS in a deadly & lengthy lecture mode, I might add). :roll: But ezzoud's got it right about how SIMILAR you are to that "priesthood" you love to trash. You have as much of a VESTED INTEREST in this as they do, which ...

AS YOU SUGGEST, both Kothar & Reformists are "select little groups" who know they've got a good thing going. They certainly don't need any Imam to INTERFERE with their building or business schemes!!! Yet the fact remains: WITHOUT HIM, THEY HAVE NO REASON FOR BEING. They might as well be Zaydis or ...

Also just for the record since some of us care, the most mentioned woman is Maryam.

My Dear Brother JC & Co. Please consider for a moment something that is RARELY mentioned on this board (because it takes courage to do so): What if our "missing" Imam IS REAL, but has absolutely nothing to do with the self-serving kothar! Now where does that leave Syedna and his merry men.... And ...

You know WHAT THOUGH, JC? I bet you they are GOD-LOVIN' (and God-fearing) ordinary folk, so I LIKE 'EM! We've got the HINDU DOCTORS here where I live (MD's ALL), dedicating their new multi-million dollar TEMPLE this month. I'm sure they believe they are SELF-approved from HEAVEN (just like the ...

JC, I'm GLAD you have the courage to challenge the Fundamentalist notion of "straights" having a corner on all the pleasures of Jannah!!! {I AGREE with you.) But Idiot_bohra, who started this thread, CRITIQUES the whole Karbala event from the comforts of his own "modern American" bourgeois existence ...