Dawoodi Bohra Forum

to all,

libya, which follows only astronomical calculations, started fasting on tuesday, september 12th. why use astromical calculations...it is strongly recommended within the quran. why fast 30 days...unless it is determined that ramadhan is 29 days, you should fast 30 days to complete the ...

kseeker,
you can find many bohra based books on belief and amal through the institute of ismaili studies iis.uk website or ibtauris.com.

local jamia publishers are offering the arabic version of the original books such as diamul islam, alim wa ghulam and others.

some of these are not easy ...

muslimfirst,
you didn't in anyways address what i point out regarding salawat or the hadiths i reference...you ignored them.

but what you replied with adds even little to the dialogue. i am not referencing sufis or will not reference bin baaz for anything.

shafa and wasila is based on ...

tahir,
what i wrote can actually be traced very easily as exactly as i transmitted both in general islamic books of history and shiah books. the story of prophet yusuf is very well known in sunni and shiah classrooms.

but what muslim first write as facts are very incorrect...this is what i was ...

br. muslim first,
i will use your last post as an example:

"Even though I would not do it because prophet has forbidden extended lamentation, I am not against it."

---the quran support lamentation..the prophet yusuf lost his eyesight from crying at the lost of his son. the prophet did not ...

brother muslim first,
when you are classified as a prophet or even a scholar...may be your opinion will officially count. right now, most of the information you quote or reference is either out of context, poorly transmitted, or totally your own opinion...that it would be better not to read.

accountability

just a clarifier:

If bowing and prostration is worship, doing so should be constured as worship with or without niyah.

-actually this is my point...bowing and prostration is not worship without the intention.

Let me put it this way, if you only have the niyah, but do not ...

dear accountability and muslim first,

while the point may sound good, it does not coinside with what allah says.

firstly muslim first example is easily corrected. if a person steals, with the intention to steal...he has sinned according to allah. the person has sinned just for attempting to ...

muslimfirst,
the intention is in the heart..and the recitation is not meant to be heard but as a clarifier of the intent in the heart for what is to be performed.

it is done no different than how the duas are said in ruku, sujud, or tashahud.

anajmi,
every action of worship has a niyyat.
when you zabiha you say at minimum "bismillah allahu akbar".

when you start your start you say "bismillah".

when you start you salat you say "usalli fardh salatil magribe talatin rakatin lillahe..." (i am performing the required salat of maghrib ...

dear accountablility,
what is considered humility and humilation is very skewed in the western mind set.

in the manner of a teacher to his student..the teacher deserves respect and honor...in his knowledge and allowance to teach his knowledge.

realize this may seem antiquated in its ideals ...

muslimfirst,

regarding qadam bosi (kissing the hand and feet)

please see the link for the hadith reference:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/kissingscholarhand.html

the remaining is regarding sajad as'sukar

regarding the ayats you quoted:
surah fussilat 41, v37. refers to ...

muslim first,

Regarding hadith examples

from Sahih Bukhari:
al-Zuhri said: Anas bin Malik told me: The Prophet came out after the sun passed the mid-point of the sky and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour ...

muslimfirst,
other than the hadith of jafar ibn abi talib...the rest is the opinions of scholars (assumed to reference the quran and hadiths).

let deal with the scholars first. i quoted and can quote just as more incidents in the quran where sujud was perform to venerate (not worship) individual ...

dear muslim first,
please do not call me a liar when you have little to support your own opinion other than jest.

you were part of the discussions with qiyam in the thread...you have (as then) provided little in support you point of view from or to degrade the one for qadam bosi.

you want ...

final destination,
i did read what anajmi wrote...and he was wrong in what he wrote then.

sujud in and of itself is not worship...this is a completely false idea. no action is worship except when a niyyat of worship is with it. this is concurrent in the four madhabs of the sunni and the shia ...

the same is for december 2006, the new moon will occur on dec. 20th. how is it the the first day of Dhul-Hajj is on nov. 22th instead of the 21st?

i have a problem with the criteria that the moonsighting.com site use for its determination of the day.

in november 2006, the new moon will occur on nov. 20th. how is it the the first day of Dhul-Qi'dah is on nov. 22th instead of the 21st?

tahir,

the position of the dai is as the hujjat or representative of the imam in hiding. he has full rights from the mumin as the imam's representative as the imam would have. this does not make him imam in other aspects. this is written directly in the misaq ahd.

so then what are the rights ...

humsafar,
that is a stupid comment. the ummah is to be united in faith...not a diverse group. the eid issue is a problem...not an assest to the faith, especially in the same city.

muslimfirst,
did any say modi was a good man...why is he even in office? but you will not change an ignorant man by yelling and barking at him...he will just become more ignorant.

bohras are mumin...not muslims (one who submits to islam). this is what the quran asks. you should call yourself ...

final destination,
you didn't read the thread beyond the first lines did you?

sajad as'sukar is qadam bosi...and it was a common practice with the prophet. the only time he denied it was so that the ignorant early muslim wouldn't take it as a form of worship of him. there are many hadiths where ...

accountability,

"First, you are equating Maula Ali with syedna saheb."

--no, what i wrote was he was acting like maulana ali. this is what we do in islam...follow those with good character.

regarding history, you are loose with facts. maulana ali and imam hassan made peace with muwaiya ...

tahir,
your request is somewhat hypocritical. although the information is readily available and has been discussed many times on this board alone, why do you ask for the status and "controlled" position of the dai? you're asking because you don't trust what he is doing..i assume. then why do you ...

feel gud,
please see the link i posted...the brothers in that thread quoted the hadith and answered the same question your asking.

dear omarbharti,

al muizz's example is true and applicable..while your's is not.

maulana ali and imam hassan as caliph of the muslim made peace with muwaiya..but didn't support him in any way. in relation to imam hussein, muwaiya wanted imam hussein to support him..this none of the three ever ...

this topic has been covered by several individuals over the past couple of years...see the link below:

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/U ... 1;t=000302

br. muslim first,
the ayat is there and is clear...but allah is speaking to muhammad as the imam of the ummah..not the muslims at large. diam al'islam quotes this ayat in a hadith and describes this as a specific command by God for the imam...not any muslim. distribution is for the imam...it is the ...

dear accountability,
there is a problem with your statement "According to you, there aren't any specific use for zakat, it may be used to safari in africa or flying first class to north america."

firstly, there are specific references to how zakat is to be spent..but this is the decision of the ...

in my reply to br. muslim first
i wrote "actually the arabic verse in the quran does mean "war booty" for khums...this is a very poor translation"

what i meant to write was "actually the arabic verse in the quran does NOT mean "war booty" for khums...this is a very poor translation"