Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Dear Muslim,
The reason the governor is given these letter is to have direction on the performance. He than choices other individuals to handle the specific cities and towns and related this info in the same manner. Just as the Imam is responsible for the governor..so the governor is responsible ...

Humsafar,

1) Raza has no doctrinal basis as it is not mentioned in the Quran ( and let me add, nor in Daim ul Islam - the source book of shiah fiqh).

---Obey Allah, His Messenger, and those of knowledge (the Imams). Asking permission for acting or doing things are exampled in the Quran and ...

Dear Muslim,
In relation to the hadith I posted, the following hadith is more detail and clear.

Sahih Bukhari, v1, h 681
Narrated 'Aisha:
When Allah's Apostle became seriously ill, Bilal came to him for the prayer. He said, "Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in the prayer." I said, "O Allah's ...

Dear Muslim, MuslimFirst and whomever else,

The following are excerpts of instructions to the governors on how to lead prayers of the areas they are in charge. Note if it were only suppose to be for any imam of prayer why is it directed to the governor's.

The following is from Najhul Balagha ...

Dear Br. Khan,
There are three faults with the statement by the shiekh you quote.
1.) The Prophet didn't lead anyone in prayer. He was praying individually and during the course of the nights other prayed at the same time...but not in jam'ah.

2.) Abu Bakr never practiced what is called taraweh ...

"So from your point of view, Twelvers are sinners. They are supposed to believe in raza but do no practice it."

--I did not say we all don't practice it...I said because there is no mechanism of control (like the bohras). Some of those who are outside the areas of the marajah control do not ...

Dear Africawala,
Imams are spirtual parents...thus they are with us regardless of physically or not. My explaination was refering ot the physical aspect..not the spirtual.

Dear AB and BB,
Do you have any concept of what you believe? Remember the bohra Imam Ismail through Imam Qiam were in ...

Dear Muslim,
If your reading of the story is correct..why is Bilal chatised for selecting Umar. Why was Abu Bakr even brought into the conversation. The fact that "a number of muslims" were present doesn't mean anything...because the Prophet directed Bilal (the official muezzin) to find someone ...

Dear Muslim,
"I am not questioning the appointment of amils here, I am asking for evidence that raza is required for certain rituals (the Bohra way) e.g. was there ever an instance during the Prophet's time where, for example, a congregational prayer was rendered invalid because the amil had not ...

Humsafar,

"In your book most Muslims are sinners. Right? (We're talking about your (bohra clergy) point of view. I don't care whether sunnis accept raza as sunnah or not - that's not the issue here.)"

---The problem is you can't call someone a sinner for something they don't believe in. From ...

Dear Africawalla,

"1. Please tell me which line of Imamat do you follow, that is "Twelvers" or the Bohoras and why.
If you follow the Twelvers, why and if you follow the Bohoras why?"

--please see my reply to AB for this part. I draw from both sources of knowledge..because both address the ...

Dear AB,
Justifing who I am has become a standard issue for you all.

I attend the mosque in Chicago and sometimes in Houston (I travel back and forth for business). There are several shiah that also come there regularly. I have many reformist and bohra friends (you could say we have a club ...

Dear Friends,
You have posed some good questions...I will try to address them..please readdress if I missed some.

Br. Muslim asked:
"is there any evidence to support the assumption that the Bohra system of raza was practised by the Prophet?"

--yes. The fact that he appointed amils to various ...

Sunnah is obligatory. Those who do not follow sunnah commit sin. Most Muslims do not follow the sunnah of raza. Most Muslims are sinners.

---Clarification..most muslims do not consider raza a sunnah practice..because they don't follow the concept of Imamate either. In their theology, they don't ...

Dear AB,
I feel it was disingenious for you to make that comment.

That fact as I have summarized is that many who call themselves bohras..know little of what they speak of. So when someone outsides see the obvious..you say they don't know the facts. How ironic!

The fact is..I see many people ...

Dear Humsafar,
"You say raza is required for a believer, but the majority of believers choose to ignore this particular sunnah."

--a believer is a mumin...a submitter to the faith is a muslim. A believer enacts all the Quranic and sunnah injuctions to the best of their ability..or at least doesn ...

Dear Avg. Bohra,
I'm am not sure what you mean by reserved. I myself have prayed in this front row when I prayed with bohras. Maybe they got there first?

Dear BB,
"Sunnah is required but not a must"
---The sunnah is required...no one will say it is not. It is a sin not to adhere to the sunnah ...

Dear Humsafar,

I respond to the theological point for two reason..none have to do with an ivory tower.
1.) You guys lack the theological background of the statements you make. You say something is wrong based on it being "unislamic"...when it is clearly "islamic". The basis of your argument is ...

Dear Humsafar,

I have commented on the practice and it autheticity in Islam...I have not commented on how it is used. There is a huge difference that you don't seem to get.

And your analogies on raza are not a comparision of what I have written. The equivalent to what I have written is that ...

Dear Danish,
Nice to see you surprisingly chime in.

Dear Humsafar,

"Your masters are the "royal family" - either you are one of them or a hireling. Because only an insider or a hired hack would stoop so low as to publicly support and defend a corrupt, petty and perverse priesthood as you do ...

Dear Humsafar,

Now were back to raza not being "Islamic" either?!

And if you notice...I stated the "word" wasn't in the Quran...but its pretense is very much in the Quran. The idea of asking an authority for permission is describes and displayed in the Quran.

Islam when under the position ...

Dear Humsafar,
Firstly, it angers me for you to keep refering to others as my master. You don't know me or my masters..so please hold your critiques.

You've switched from wanting raza defined as "islamic" to it being "quranic".

"As for Islamic beliefs, the less you talk about them the better ...

Dear Aftab,
"This is not the case of Taher Saifuddin. He poisoned his predecessor to attain power, so what do you make of him?"
---How do you know this..what information did you get this from?

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"ok, let us cut the chase – let us agree on ...

Humsafar,
Your a strange person. You put as much effort into justifying your beliefs as you do my identity...very little.

You know..let's let you see how it feels.

I think Humsafar, Mumineen, and BB are the same person...just different names. You all think alike..you pose the same questions ...

Dear JC,

"So what if Ali was 'selected' by six people - after all he was Khalifa and in those days people accepted him as Khalifa-tul-Muslamoon (and he was Amir-ul-Momeeneen)."

---this is part of the problem...the muslims (through massive political campaigning by other would be kaliphs) did ...

Ok Humsafar,
I am glad you know my secret identity. It fits with you theory of me being Qiyam.

I am not sure how you consider yourself a bohra..when you don't associate with the bohra jamat or adhere to their beliefs. Your no different than me calling myself a bohra...outside look in.

If your ...

Dear Humsafar,
If it makes you happy..believe I am a bohra. The fact I actually know something about your community is nothing special. The issues I have spoken about are followed by all shiah. The other info is from my friends and from this site.

Is raza required for a site like this? Last time ...

Dear AB,
Treatment of your enemy was a side topic brought in this discussion as to the treatment of those that go against the Imam.

My description was the three different methods of dealing with an enemy whom you associate with that continually goes against your belief. It is not the order of ...

Dear Humsafar,
I am not a bohra..but a shiah. Though I recognize the qualities and speech of the Dai..as I do Ayatullah Sistani, Mutaharri,etc. Raza is not required in either case to speak to munafiqin or kaffir. I self-regulate myself not to address issues I don't know fully about anyway.

Dear Aftab,

I doubt we have met...but you never know.

"When you agree that most of the Dais were poisoned and you support the dai, is it not than a fair assumption that you support the murderers. Do you see the connection?"

--How...the murderers via poison of most of the Imams, Ayatuallahs ...